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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 07 June 08 11:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks for being so certain - I know so little that I'm prepared to be convinced by knowledgeable people.

What do you think of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders as possible for Stanley/ William James Allison. Would they be recruiting in Bootle/Liverpool?
I hadn't noticed the gas masks until you pointed them out.

I have recovered the only picture of my other grandfather - he is also in military uniform. He had a head wound but obviously recovered. I'd like to be sure which regiment he was in too. Perhaps I should post it under a different name if this thread is now too long - James Allison?

Thanks for your interest

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 07 June 08 11:43 BST (UK) »
Not too long at all matey!

I will get back to you on your chaps...

I have been distracted by a non military thread on the Armed Forces board...
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            Find my body near the wall.

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 07 June 08 11:57 BST (UK) »
OK! But the pictures do stop here until I can get the sole remaining one which (according to other sources) has him sitting in the middle of a group of Serbian soldiers. I'll be interested to have another opinion but that's late July....

Meantime the picture of James Allison. The comments I have had,  point out how shambolic the whole thing is - there is even one without a rifle. The suggestion is that this probably dates it to late 1914, early 1915 because there had been a tremendous response to Kitchener: that the troops were about to be put into civilian billets possibly in Blackpool.

The suggestion was possibly the Kings Liverpool Regiment but not the 1/7 who were prewar and properly kitted up, possibly 2/7 which was formed in Bootle and moved to Blackpool in November 1914. My grandad was living in Bootle then.

Another correspondent said the cap badge was a Hanoverian horse on a silver scroll. I can't actually see that the cap badges are cleaar enough to be sure which regiment it is.

Here followeth the picture.

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 07 June 08 12:36 BST (UK) »
White Horse of Hanover rampant with scroll below...Kings Liverpool!

Now then...these chaps do have Lee Metford rifles which were obsolescent at this time and were used by the Kitchener bns...

And they all have greatcoats...Some have them rolled about their bodies...

So this is the Kings Liverpool...and a Kitchener bn to boot, in winter...In Britain

Poss winter 1914 or 1915

I shall consult my records... ;)

But the other pics will be useful to put them all into context...And to narrow down the bn...
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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 27 July 08 13:35 BST (UK) »
In June I said I'd have access to another picture of my grandfather at the end of July. Here it is. Another source suggests they are Serbian soldiers but I'd like the experts here to look and say.......

There is also another picture which has surfaced confirming Scrimnet's confident judgement that he was in the RE. I'll post it separately. It makes me wonder - did the RE recruit in Liverpool/Bootle or would he have been assigned automatically because in civilian life he was an electrician?

Finally there is a rather higher definition picture of William Francis Roberts on a motorbike - Scrimnet asked if it could be done. This is the best I can do within the 500 limit.

All comments gratefully received.

Ken

Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 27 July 08 13:38 BST (UK) »
I don't know what W10 might mean nor the other cryptic initials on the bottom right might be. Any offers?

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 27 July 08 13:40 BST (UK) »
Last picture is the (somewhat) enhanced picture Scrimnet asked for. It is a tiny photograph about an inch by two inches. Nothing on the back

Ken
Cuthbert, Roberts (Sefton. Bootle, Liverpool, St. Pancras), Burbage, Dodd.
Allison (Scotland, pre 1861) (Liverpool post 1860),
Gerrat, Davidson, Caffey, McCourt, McDill, Ireland +Scotland. Ballard, Mayman,
 Pletts, Shield, Pattison, Patteson, Johnston(Cumberland).
Thorp(e), Jacobson, Bond, Parry, Gaskill (Liverpool, Denmark), Moar, Hanaeus,Ilett
Simmons, Pritchard, Cherrington (Shropshire)

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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 27 July 08 14:42 BST (UK) »
Hello Ken,

D 1233 looks like the photographer's reference number.

W 19 (as I read it), is presumably 19 Motor Air Line Section Number and whatever sub-units they were broken down into.

There are three war diaries at TNA for Motor Air Line Sections, but not yours unfortunately.

Phil
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Re: same regiment?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 27 July 08 15:42 BST (UK) »
Hi

Your soldier with the Scottish uniform is in the Liverpool Scottish (10th Liverpool Regiment).  :)

Reid: Nicol: Peterhead and Aberdeen
McDonald: Greig: Milne: Aberdeenshire
Moreland: Lanarkshire, Whitehaven in Cumbria and Ireland
Cunningham: Lanarkshire, Cumbria and Ireland
Halliday: Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Ireland
Redpath: Stirlingshire and Banbridge
McKay: