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]:)Hi all, I was wondering if somebody could lookup the date of birth & death of Arthur J. Nell please.

A while ago I got hold of a rose bowl, on this bowl it has written on it ;
Presented by the Earl of Sheffield
             hon col of the
1st Sx Royal Engineer Volunteers,
          SHEFFIELD PARK
             July 5th 1901
                A. J. Nell

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]I found him on the 1891 census has living in Newhaven.
not on the 1901 census because he was at war?
I found his mum & sister on there but no dad or other sister [harriet] can you help on this as well please.
I went down to the museum at Newhaven to find out about Arthur and they had a photo of him in a football team [ Sussex Portland cement works football club, no date]
If you get time please visit this amazing museum ;)
 so any help on this family would be most helpful
many many thanks ;)

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Re: death lookup please for arthur nell
« Reply #1 on: Friday 13 June 08 15:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Geoff

It seems that the dad, Joseph was on a vessel in 1901

1901;
Newhaven, Sussex
Joseph William Nell, mar , 55, carpenter, b Brighton
on board the vessel: Normandy

cannot see Arthur j at the moment

will look further

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 June 08 15:08 BST (UK) »
This could be his birth registration:

Arthur james Nell
Sept q 1873
Steyning Sussex
vol 2b p 255

his sisters:
Harriet Sarah Nell
Sept q 1878 Steyning
vol 2b p 292

Mabel Nell
 dec q 1880 Steyning
vol 2b p 275

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: death lookup please for arthur nell
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 June 08 15:41 BST (UK) »
hi geoff and Hi Deb,

not much more but it seems that dad ,Joseph was a SHIP carpenter.  :) and in 1891 Arthur worked at a cement works.

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 13 June 08 15:49 BST (UK) »
Hi debzzzz  ;D

okay ...I think this is Harriet Sarah Nell:

marriage;
Harriet Sarah Nell to either Charles Mills or Ernest Albert piper
Mar q 1899 Lewes
vol 2b p 249


1901
64 Elphick rd, Newhaven
Ernest A Piper head mar 26 ship steward/seas b Newhaven
SARAH wife  22 b Shoreham, Sussex

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #5 on: Friday 13 June 08 16:06 BST (UK) »
Hi

this is the only marriage I can see of a Joseph William Nell to a Harriet.

dec q 1870, Epping, Essex
vol 4a p 99
Joseph William Nell and on same page; Harriet Folkes

In 1891 Harriet Nell, the mum says she is born in Kempston Bedfordshire. In 1861 There is a Harriet FOLKES b 1842 , Kempston Bedfordshire withe her parents:James (a gardener 45) and Sarah (41)
and siblings:
Alfred 17
Barslett ? 10 (son)
Ann 8
Lauretta 6
Charlotte 4
all born Kempston
living at Green End, Public House

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: death lookup please for arthur nell
« Reply #6 on: Friday 13 June 08 17:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Geoff & welcome to Rootschat  :)
It might be worth looking at the local newspapers for that time to see if there is an article concerning the presentation.  How did you come by the Rose Bowl?

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 June 08 14:27 BST (UK) »
First of all, I would like to say a big thank you all for your help,
Right, now this is how it started. :)
I'm researching the history of Fletching Sussex, I'm allways looking for anything to do with the village and surrounding hamlets, one day I looked on the web and saw that a rose bowl was up for sale [the one I mention in my post].
So I brought it. And then I dissided to look up Arthur J Nell,
someone other than me who had wanted to buy the bowl told me that Arthur had came from Newhaven and that he has got Arthur's Boer war medal. So I started looking for him. I have not yet read the papers from that time. but I have read the
book SUSSEX SAPPERS by Morling, and it mentions the fact that Lord Sheffield gives a party and that each man from Eastbourne Newhaven & Seaford are presented with a Rose bowl each. 
I do have the lists of men from Eastbourne Newhaven & Seaford so there must be 100's of these bowls somewhere.
So, Arthur was born 1873 and by 1891 he was working in the cement works, he was also in the cement works football team which I have a photo of, kindly taken from a photo kept by The Newhaven Local Maritime Museum, ;)
by 1892 he had enlisted in the 1st, Sussex Royal Engineer Volunteers, by 1901 he got his rose bowl.
What happen to him after this I do not know yet.
Can anybody put a date to his death please... :'(
Again Many Many Thanks...

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 June 08 16:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Geoff,
I too can't find him on the 1901 census so maybe he was overseas ( the 2nd Boar war) & that's maybe where the medals came from  :)
His death is not showing on FreeBMD but that doesn't surprise me as that could be as late as  the 1940's or 1950's or later.  Only 1 marriage found for Arthur Nell but that's in W. Derby in 1922 so a bit of a long-shot  :-\
Does this other collector have a family interest in Arthur?  Such a nice story!

jane
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