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2 Missing Pheobe Smith's
« on: Saturday 14 June 08 19:05 BST (UK) »
My great great great grandfather Joseph Smith born in Woburn 23/11/1833

he married 3 times

Eliza Page on 19 Oct 1855
found her death in Mar 1859
in Steppingley, Beds

Pheobe Scott 8 Sept 1859
in Steppingley, Beds
their Son George Charles is my great great grandfather.
She appears in the 1861 census then disappears

he then marries
Pheobe Stevens
9 Dec 1866
in Steppingley, Beds

in the 1871 census it gives Joseph as married but no mention of his wife
in the 1881 census it gives Joseph as a widow.

have searched the death records but can't find either ladies

anyone got any ideas?

thanks
Almond Yate Bank, Bush Suffolk, Elliot Cumbria,Smith Steppingley,Andrew New Zealand, Callaghan Mayo, Daley Stacksteads, Molloy Mayo

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Re: 2 Missing Pheobe Smith's
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 June 08 19:07 BST (UK) »
If you have marriage date(s) then do you not have parental information for each phoebe?
Or their age(s) at marriage?

can you confirm that the reg district is probably AMPTHILL?

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Re: 2 Missing Pheobe Smith's
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 June 08 19:51 BST (UK) »
Phoebe (the first) is 21 b Steppingley in 1861: RG9/1001/77/8

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: 2 Missing Pheobe Smith's
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 June 08 20:02 BST (UK) »
As Joseph was living in Lancs in 1881 Phoebe II could have died in that county rather than Beds.

Have you checked Steppingley parish register microfilm for burials of either Phoebe?

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: 2 Missing Pheobe Smith's
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 June 08 20:28 BST (UK) »
Pheobe Scott was born c1840 her parents where George Scott and Eliza White, age 20 at marriage
Pheobe Stevens was born c1839 her father was Francis Stevens 27 at marriage
district is ampthill.

I did a national deaths search with freebmd and there are only 11 and none fit age wise.

I have Pheobe 1 pre marriage to Joseph but loose her when I find the next marriage.

thanks for the responses
Almond Yate Bank, Bush Suffolk, Elliot Cumbria,Smith Steppingley,Andrew New Zealand, Callaghan Mayo, Daley Stacksteads, Molloy Mayo

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Re: 2 Missing Phoebe Smith's
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 14 June 08 20:48 BST (UK) »
In 1861 Phoebe Stevens 21 born Greenfield was living with her parents. In 1871 living with Francis and Mary Stevens was Florence SMITH granddaughter, 2 born Flitton. Looks like a daughter by the second Phoebe.

The plot thickens

1881 living in Luton
Phoebe Asplin head marr 41 Laundress b Greenfield
Florence M Smith dau 12 b Greenfield (whatever her age is indexed as it's definitely 12!)
William C M Smith son 7 b Luton

If Phoebe Smith had married a Mr Asplin it looks like bigamy, unless they had divorced which is unlikely

The GRO index isn't infallible, and her death could have been missed between Ampthill and the GRO. It's why I asked if you'd checked the parish register for burials.

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: only 1 Missing Phoebe Smith
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 14 June 08 20:56 BST (UK) »
In 1871 Phoebe Smith lodger married 31 b Greenfield was living at 9 Burr St, Luton in the household of John and Ruth Whitbread.

On 24 Dec 1883 Phoebe Asplin, age 44, father Francis Stevens, married Alfred Wood at Luton (IGI - Extracted)

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: 2 Missing Pheobe Smith's
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 14 June 08 21:17 BST (UK) »
Marriage:

Mar 1876 Bedford

Thomas ASPLIN
Phebe SMITH

on same page, 3b 460

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Phoebe Smith 2
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 14 June 08 21:20 BST (UK) »
In 1891
22 Queen St, Luton
Florence Smith head single 22 Dressmaker b Greenfield
William Smith brother single 17 general lab b Luton
Phoebe Wood mother widow 52 dressmaker b Greenfield

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell