Thorn family Newbury

[janjim]

Hi,
I'm looking for any information on family members of my GG Grandmother Helen (Ellen) Thorn b. 1832 who married John New b. 1832 in London.

Ellen was baptised at North Croft Lane Baptist daughter of Edmund Thorn & Elizabeth (maiden name not known)    Edmund was known as a Shoemaker in Newbury.

After her marriage to John New who was a Policeman in Marylebone, they returned to Newbury, where they had issue Charles b. 1854, Edmund b. 1856, Rosa Ann b. 1862, Ellen b. 1863, John b. 1865 Jane b. 1868, Elizabeth b. 1870, Walter b. 1873 and Daniel b. 1876.   Various members of this family migrated to Australia around 1911/12.

If anyone can assist me with Ellen's siblings and Mother's name, would appreciate that, or any other information in regard to the Thorns in Newbury

Regards

Jan

[Mum44]

Hello Jan

This is the family in 1841:  (Ellen's age slightly out)

HO107. P. 33/5  Fol. 11  Pg. 6

Living in Newbury
THORN
Edmund  40  Shoe Maker
Elizabeth  45 (?)
Caroline 15
William 13
Alfred 11
Frederick  8
Augustus  6
Ellen  4
Joseph  2

all born county

[Mum44]

And in 1851 :

HO 107.  P. 1685  Fol. 384  Pg. 24

Living Gibbs Yard, Newbury

THORN
Edmund  Head  M  59  Cordwainer
Elizabeth  Wife  M  57
Ellen  Dau  Un 19
Joseph  Son  Un  17

all born Newbury

I think they lived in Gibbs Yard  in 1841 too - couldn't read their address but the next was Gibbs Yard.

Do you want me to see if I can find the other children in 1851 onwards? 

[janjim]

Hi Mum 44,

Thanks for this information, yes anything that you could find onwards would be great.

Would particularly like to know Mother Elizabeth's maiden name if possible, and when they married.

Regards

Jan

[Mum44]

Hello Jan

First - I assume you have found the birth records of all Helen(Ellen)'s siblings - they are on the IGI - but just to make things clearer, this is the list.

The dates given are shown as dates of birth.  I have managed to find records for all except those written in red.

Edmund George Thorn  23 Aug 1811
James Thorn  18 June 1813
Henry Thorn  27 July 1815  : died 17 May 1837 aged 21 years
Ann Thorn  11 June 1818
William Thorn 27 Feb 1819
Caroline Thorn 6 Dec 1820
Charles Thorn 17 July 1823
Alfred Thorn 9 Mar 1827
Frederick Dunne Thorn  9 Jun 1828
Augustin Thorn 6 Mar 1830
Helen Thorn 4 July 1832
Fanny Thorn  26 Dec 1833  :  died 9 May 1834 aged 4 mths.
Joseph Thorn  26 Dec 1833

Found on the Berkshire Marriage Index the marriage of Edmund Thorn by Licence on 22 July 1811 to Elizabeth Norris, in Newbury.

I'll post what I have found for each of the children one at a time 

[janjim]

Thank you so much Mum 44, looking forward to receiving the rest as you state.    No I did not have the dates of birth of any of Helen (Ellen)'s siblings, its all coming together now.

Jan

[Mum44]

EDMUND GEORGE THORN  B. 1811

Married by licence 22 May 1832 Newbury to Margaret Jane May.

1841 CENSUS:  HO107.  P. 33/3  Fol. 11  Pg. 7

Living Bartholemew Street, Newbury

Edmund   25  Shoemaker
Margaret 30
Elizabeth  7
Esther      4
Alfred      9 mth.

All except Margaret born in county.

1851 CENSUS :  HO107.  P. 1685  Fol. 295  Pg. 25

Living Bartholemew Street, Newbury

Edmund G  Head  M  30  Shoe Maker
Margaret  Wife  M  44    Shoe Binder   B.  London, Shoreditch
Elizabeth  Dau  17  Dressmaker
Esther  Dau  13   Scholar
Alfred  Son  11       ~
Margaret  Dau  9    ~
George  Son  6       ~
James  Son  3
Caroline  Dau  1

All except wife born Berks. Newbury

1861 CENSUS:  RG9.  P. 720  Fol. 87  Pg. 23

Living 1 Albert Place, Newbury

George  Head  M  49  Cordwainer (master)
Margaret  Wife  53  Shoe binder
Esther  Dau  Un  23  Dressmaker
Alfred  Son  Un  21  Cordwainer journeyman
George  Son  15  Coach Smith's app.
James  Son  13
Caroline  Dau  11
Alfred  Grand son  2

all except wife born Berks. Newbury

[Mum44]

JAMES THORN B. 1813

Married by licence 29 July 1835 at Greenham to Maria Dibley.

1841 CENSUS : HO107.  p. 33/1  Fol. 18  Pg. 30

Living Northbrook Street, Newbury

James  25  Shoe maker
Maria  25 
Harry 5
Maria 12
Lucy 11

all born county.
I have no idea who Maria age 12 and Lucy age 11 were - unless James was married previously at age 16   

1851 CENSUS :  HO107  P. 1685  Fol. 326  Pg. 24

Living Bartholemew Street, Newbury
James  Head  M  37  Foreman Boot and Shoe Trade
Maria  Wife  M 38
Henry  Son  14  Shoe maker app.
Catherine  Dau  7
Charles  Son  3
Rachel Dibley, mother in law  Wid  74  Nurse  B. Berks Hungerford

All except Rachel born Berks. Newbury

1861 CENSUS :  RG9.  P. 720  Fol.86  Pg. 22

Living Bartholemew Street, Newbury

James Head  M  47  Bootmaker, employing 10 men, 5 women, 1 boy.
Maria  Wife  M  46
Catherine  Dau  17
Charles  Son  13

All born Berks. Newbury

[Mum44]

CAROLINE THORN  B.  1820

1841 CENSUS -  at home with parents, already posted.

Married Q2. 1844 Newbury District to Edward Sutton

1851 CENSUS:  HO107.  P. 1685  Fol. 346  Pg. 21

Living Trafalgar Place, Newbury

Edward Sutton  Head  M  31  Drayman  B.   Kingsclere
Caroline   ~    Wife  M
Henry       ~    Son  6

Caroline and Henry B. Newbury

1861 CENSUS :  RG9.  P. 53  Fol. 28  Pg. 62

Living 28 Great Chapel Street, Westminster, London

Caroline  Head  Wid  28  Boot binder
Henry   Son  17  Printer
James  Son  7  Scholar
Charles  Son  2         B.  Westminster

others all born Berks. Newbury