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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 24 July 08 22:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you Trevor. Great to see a picture of George A., though obviously not in the happiest of circumstances. And especially to read his wife's tribute to him. I presume 'L.' is Lavinia.

Edwina  :)

Just an afterthought to what I have just written:

I have been wondering overnight if perhaps I have jumped a generation. Perhaps your photo is of George and Lavinia's son, born about 1891. He would have been Violet's brother, and would have been about 50 when he died. If it is Lavinia's husband, he would have been about 73.  ???  :-\

Perhaps you know, Trevor?

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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #28 on: Friday 25 July 08 14:54 BST (UK) »
Hi :)

Have been  looking around for the whittle Family.

In 1881 George Whittle is 51, Emma 39, George 15 and Mabel is 9months.

 By 1891 We have George and Emma living with Mabel 11 and their son Alfred ,10. Also in the home is Margaret Grafton (daughter, 29 married) and their s-i-l William with Bertie 5, Thomas 3, Nellie 5months and Beatrice 12months  :-\
The children are refered to as Nieces and nephews :-\

George and Emma (nee Alloway) married dec  q 1867 Uxbridge ...so who is Margaret's mother? I cannot find them in 1871.

Did you know of the other children?
Margaret - b 1862
George - b 1866
Mabel A - 1880
Alfred -1881

I cannot find a birth reg for Margaret Whittle.

ahhh okay ...found a marriage : William Grafton 1886 Bethnal Green and on the same page ...Mary Ann Whittle.
will search further

deb :)



Hi Edwina ...

The witnesses may be his sister, Mary Ann who married William GRAFTON

deb :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #29 on: Friday 25 July 08 15:21 BST (UK) »
Hi again

I think that your marriage cert is correct ...especially with the witnesses .

Another thing; In 1871 Emma is a BOATMAN"S wife ..this is the occupation that would be on George jnr birth cert. By1881 George snr is a bricklayer's labourer (as per census) but in 1891 George snr is a CARMAN...so it seems to all add up pretty nicely. :)

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #30 on: Friday 25 July 08 15:28 BST (UK) »
Back again  ;D

re ; the Tribute to George A Whittle ,,,perhaps it is George A jnr as there are tributes underneath Mrs L Whittle by sons Stanley and Joey. I don't think George Snr had sons by those names.


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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 26 July 08 10:03 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Deb. I had also noticed the Stanley / Joey clue, but had forgotten to scroll back and re-read the information you had already found about the GRAFTON connection. Thank you for quoting it again.

My feeling at the moment is that George WHITTLE (b.1830) probably had a son, George (b. about 1867) (who may have started life as George ALLOWAY ???) and a daughter, Mabel (my husband's grandmother). George (b.1867) got involved through his horse-and-carting with fairground work, married Lavinia SMITH (the boss's daughter!) and came into the fairground business. Then George and Lavinia's son George A (b.1891) would have been the man in the picture.

It also means it might well have been George and Lavinia that my mother-in-law went to stay with.

Nearly there?  :-\

Edwina

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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 26 July 08 10:56 BST (UK) »
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Marriage certificate for George WHITTLE and Emma ALLOWAY at St John's Church, Uxbridge Moor, Middlesex, has just this minute arrived.

They married on Christmas Day 1867. He was 34 (bachelor), she was 26 (spinster). His rank or profession: Boatman. But his father, William, was a bricklayer. Her father, also William, was a Labourer.

George signed the certificate himself, but Emma made a mark. The witnesses were Thomas HUNT and George WILLIS. I think my husband is beginning to get a taste for this now, so I expect he will soon be wanting to check up on some of the other related certificates. I'll be able to let him get on with the research a bit more then, and concentrate on my own tree.  ;)

Best wishes,

Edwina

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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 26 July 08 14:31 BST (UK) »




Another thing; In 1871 Emma is a BOATMAN"S wife ..this is the occupation that would be on George jnr birth cert. By1881 George snr is a bricklayer's labourer (as per census) but in 1891 George snr is a CARMAN...so it seems to all add up pretty nicely. :)

deb

seems that George snr. followed his dad's trade at times ...it all adds up really well! :)

deb

glad your husband is getting interested!
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 26 July 08 20:12 BST (UK) »
Hi

Trying to follow up on George (b 1830) , his family.

On IGI we find this;
Children of William Whittle and Hannah; all extracted records

JOHN WITTLE : 27 OCT 1811 Bromsgrove, Worcester (age at christening 1)

WILLIAM WHITTLE 20 DEC 1820   Silver Street Baptist, Worcester s/o William Whittle and Hannah ROE extracted record)

JOSEPH WHITTLE 24 FEB 1824 Silver Street Baptist, Worcester

MARY WHITTLE  06 MAY 1827 Silver Street Baptist, Worcester

GEORGE WHITTLE  30 JAN 1831 Silver Street Baptist, Worcester

In 1841
Worcestershire
St Martin, Tallow Hill
Hannah WHITTLE 55
Mary 14
GEORGE 10
next door is a Martha Whittle 20
all born in county

I cannot find a William Whittle, bricklayer in 1841.

IGI has this marriage;
Willm Wittle = Hannah ROE
20 AUG 1810   Bromsgrove, Worcester

deb

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: WHITTLE family fairground connection
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 26 July 08 20:59 BST (UK) »
Hi again


1871
Uxbridge, Hillingdon
2 Canal Street
Emma WITTLE head mar 28 Boatman's wife b Hillingdon
Mary ALLOWAY dau 9 ...she nust be Mary Ann/Margaret who married Wm Grafton
Eliza ALLOWAY dau 6
George ALLOWAY 6 ( aka George Whittle)
Hannah WITTLE dau 4months
all born Hillingdon

a few houses away ... Jane Alloway widow, 60 b Uxbridge

deb

i have been going batty for quite some time trying to find EMMA Alloway's family.  ;D At last I think I have them ...they have been transcribed under the name ANWAY but it is def. ALLOWAY on original

HO107/1697 fol 165 p 66
1851
St John RdUxbridge
WILLIAM ALLOWAY head mar 35 ag lab b Hillingdon
JANE wife 35 char woman b Uxbridge
Susannah 12
Mary 10
EMMA 8
Elizabeth 6
Eliza/Elvira? 1
James 4 months
all children b Uxbridge

This goes well with her dad being William a labourer on her marriage cert!

will try to find her parent's marriage

deb :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk