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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 31 July 08 23:47 BST (UK) »
have been trying to find them in 1861  ???

On 1851 census - the entries below Henry anf family also look like Aris -Alfred and Sarah with several children.
Then there are Mears - John and Sarah aged 62 yrs and 64 yrs with a son John aged 4 yrs  :o but there is a Mary Ann Mears on next entry.
The Bailys seem to be next
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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 02 August 08 14:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Girls :)

I wonder if this is your Alice who married Mark Parker

1851
Bury, Sussex
Henry Airs 40 hawker b NK
not sure of wife's name...could be Olive

ooopppsss just seen that hepburn has found them ...arrgghhhhh ...

okay well then just bookmarking ...will look further

deb

ps Cathay ...i think the people next to them are called Meard or Mears  :-\
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 02 August 08 18:04 BST (UK) »
yes this is def them.i want to find them in 1841 next and who they are stopping with and also mark parker with his family befor 1861.thanks for your help so far.
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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

we have been researching our family and have found that they mostly resided in caravans on Epsom Downs, the 1st record being Sarah Parker (nee Wilson born Farnham 1822), she shows up on the 1871 census with her 4 children who were Andrew, James, Job and Frederick, we are convinced that Sarah is the same sarah Wilson married to a Mark Parker born 1819 of Ash in Surrey in 1849 although Mark seems to disappear on all census records apart from being shown as the Father of the boys, in looking for these we did find a Mark Parker married to Alice Ayres and we think he could have been the Son of Mark and Sarah, he was born approx 1844 about 5 years before heir marraige ut records are not always accurate, it would make sense as the family tradition is to name the 1st born after the Father or Mother and there is no sign of Mark on the 1871 census as he probably would have flown the nest by then,

see stuff below i have gleaned on Mark and Alice

Household Record  1881 British Census 
   
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  Household:

 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 Mark PARKER   Head   M   Male   37   Ashford, Middlesex, England   Licensed Hawker     
 Alice PARKER   Wife   M   Female   35   Plextall, Kent, England       
 Matilda PARKER   Daur      Female   14   Kent, England       
 Mark PARKER   Son      Male   13   Redhill, Surrey, England       
 John PARKER   Son      Male   11   Cheam, Surrey, England       
 Elizabeth PARKER   Daur      Female   9   Cheam, Surrey, England       
 Leonard PARKER   Son      Male   7   Cheam, Surrey, England       
 Mary Ann PARKER   Daur      Female   6   Cheam, Surrey, England       
 William PARKER   Son      Male   4   Cheam, Surrey, England       


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Source Information:
  Dwelling   Washington Rd (Caravan)
  Census Place Cheam, Surrey, England
  Family History Library Film   1341178
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   0757 / 93
  Page Number

Mark and Alices wedding

   
Mark Parker Pedigree
  Male   Family
   

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Event(s):
 Birth: 
 Christening: 
 Death: 
 Burial: 
   

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Parents:
  Father:  Mark Parker  Family
   

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Marriages:
  Spouse:  Alice Ayres  Family
  Marriage:  20 NOV 1865   Claygate, Surrey, England
 
     

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Source Information:
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type: 
 
 I021916          Film 
 
 
 Sheet: 

Henry Parker

we think he has to be a cousin ,lving so close to the other Parkers

Household Record  1881 British Census 
   
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  Household:

 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 Henry PARKER   Head   M   Male   31   Reading, Berkshire, England   Hawker     
 Viletta PARKER   Wife   M   Female   36   Godalming, Surrey, England   Hawker     
 Alice PARKER   Daur      Female   15   Horsham, Surrey, England   Hawker     
 Henry PARKER   Son      Male   10   Addlestone, Surrey, England   Sch     
 Walter PARKER   Son      Male   7   Sutton, Surrey, England   Sch     
 Mark PARKER   Son      Male   5   Worcester Park, Surrey, England   Sch     
 John PARKER   Son      Male   3   Epsom Maldon, Surrey, England       
 Frederick PARKER   Son      Male   1   Epsom Maldon, Surrey, England       


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Source Information:
  Dwelling   Gypsey Caravan Ngston Lane Horton
  Census Place Epsom, Surrey, England
  Family History Library Film   1341179
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   0762 / 55
  Page Number   49

We also found James Parker born 1857 living in a tent in Cheam in 1881 with his young family, he was Sarahs son, another one living aorund the corner from the Mark you are looking for

Hope this is useful to you

Neil



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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 18:53 GMT (UK) »
MARK PARKER b; abt 1844 ASHFORD MIDDLESEX
ALICE AYRES b:abt1845 PLEXTOL,PLEXTELL OR PECHAM KENT.
DATE OF MARRIAGE :20 NOV 1865 CLAYGATE SURREY.
KNOWN TO HAVE HAD 12 CHILDREN AND LIVING AN A CARAVAN,CHEAM SURREY 1881/1891 CENSUS.
MARRIAGE CERT FOR MARK AND ALICE SHOWS MARK PARKER AS FATHER OF MARK AND HENRY AYRES AS FATHER OF ALICE.
WITNESSES TO THE MARRIAGE ARE HENRY PARKER AND JOSEPH AYRES, ALL SIGNED WITH X MARKS THE SPOT.
I THINK I'VE GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME.
i have access to this tree now on ancestry.i will have alook and see what i can find at the week end.the wilson connection looks very interesting so far.
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 19:16 GMT (UK) »
I have a tree on the Parker and Wilson side going back to Mark born 1787 and Elizabeth Parker born 1790, both born in Buckland, Surrey,  i assume they married in approx. 1818, son Mark was born in Ash in 1819, Sarah Wilson born Farnham 1822, they married 1849 in Ash
Sarah born 1822, Father John Wilson born 1790 Farnham, Mother Elizabeth, no info on her

Johns Father was another John and Mother Martha, possibly Matha Mary, born approx. 1768

we know the family decamped each year from Epsom Downs to the Hop fields in Kent as my Grandfather Frederick Parker was born in Ashstead and Great Great Uncle Job Parker was born Wimbledon but christened in Tudesley in Kent,

Farnham was also a major hop picking area so this may be the connection

I am a bit baffled as to the Buckland connection, i got the info from www.familysearch.org what throws me off is that Buckland was a very old Romany name and i wonder if this has been confused in translation.

There is also another Mark in the family, born 1874 in Southall / Colnbrook, so were a few of my older ancestors, was this on the Romany route?

baffled of Surrey

Neil





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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 21 March 09 01:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello Neil,

Did your Frederick Parker descend from Henry Parker and Violetta Bowers?

My Grandfather was Rupert Parker (born 1900), son of Henry, Grandson of Henry and Violetta.

Regards,

Jim

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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 21 March 09 10:32 GMT (UK) »
what area were they from as i have parkers and bowers in my tree but need to know the vicvinity and any dates yoiu may have.cathayb
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Re: ayres?parker
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 21 March 09 13:39 GMT (UK) »
Jaytoot

the only connection i can think of is a Henry i found living on Epsom Downs whi i assume must be a cousin, i think i found him in Cheam as well and i do remember the name Villetta

not a direct connection though

regards

Neil