Powell

[jen.blufell]

Why hadn't I thought of that?
It is a possibility. ah well, back to the drawing board! thanks.

[Cas (stallc)]

Another possibility is that she is illegit, and father is made up ...

Where were they married? Any clues from marriage address (hers) (his) and witness names?  They married within a few months of the 1861 census, relating to address, she must be somewhere.

Sometimes all info helps...

Cas

[jen.blufell]

God Morning Cas

Married at St Thomas Monmouth Dec 17th 1861

Thomas Powell 25 Bachelor Labourer Monmouth Richard Powell Quarryman

Jane Powell 24 Spinster _____  Monmouth Charles Powell Carpenter

Witnesses Philip Smith
Sarah Smith                                     Church after Banns I Fawcett Bedely

just a slight slip in their ages other than that about right.
thanks Jen.

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi again Jen 

No addresses on marriage cert ?

These look like witness, perhaps if you try trace back see if you can find a connection, sometimes it helps..

1861 - RG9 Piece 3988 Folio 7 Page 10
Monmouth

Phillip & Sarah Smith, both age 60

Link of the church, looks like it is in the town of Overmonnow, but possibly would come under 'Monmouth'

http://www.stayinwales.co.uk/wales_picture.cfm?p=1973

Have you tried checking other parishes for possible BMD that may connect, possibly she was born, but did not
live in area?

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?MON,SO390140,5,Llantillio%20Crossenny

http://www.londonancestor.com/maps/bc-monmouth.htm

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm

BTW...How do you know she was named Mary Jane Powell?

Will check back later

Cas

[jen.blufell]

Overmonnow is part of the town of Monmouth where it has a bridge over the river Monnow. It has a beautiful old Church (St Thomas), which I have visited recently. I was made most wecome, A person was transcripting at the time and I was shown the original marriage entry.
Her daughter Julia's Birth Cert states her mothers former name as Powell.
Still trying other areas [Hereford} etc. This is a record I found on 1861 Census
for Bedwellty
Thomas Jenkins Head b. 1834 Bedwellty Mon
Margret  Jenkins Wife  b. 1838          "          "
John Jenkins        Son  b.  1859         "          "
Mary A. Jenkins    Daur b.  1860         "          "
Jane C. Jenkins    Daur b.  1850          "         "

Jane      Powell   Sister b.   1836    Wales

Am I barking up the wrong Family Tree entirely?
jen.

[Cas (stallc)]

I don't know what to suggest, Jen 

It looks like she was never on census with Charles (carpenter)  possibly he died...think she is there somewhere but maybe under a different name on cenus...considering between us we cannot find her where she should be.  I have tried everything I know, first names only in birth area, last name, Jane with dad Charles all counties etc...only one I can find is a barber/hairdresser, within correct area.

I have a few like this, were the are no easy answers, sometimes we never get to know, other times, it is eureka!

Welcome anyway, hope you enjoy Rootschat, it is a great forum.

Sorry I could not help you more...

Cas

[jen.blufell]

Yes, I agree with you on all counts!
It will keep me busy for some time I expect.
many thanks en.