Author Topic: Burial months after death?  (Read 2227 times)

Offline atth2o

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
    • View Profile
Burial months after death?
« on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

Just a few questions about burials.  I have recently found two cases of children born and died in the first quarter of a year and then buried in December of that year.  These were different families.

Sources of births and deaths is the Free BMD.
Sources of burial is the KFHS CD #7.

Why would the burials be so late after the death?
Was this unusual?
Where was the body kept till the burial?

Thanks for looking at my enquiry,

Nancy
Attwater - Kent & London England (All spelling variations)
Goodwin - Kent & London England
Cronin - Ontario & Ireland
Clancy - Peter Robinson Expedition - Ontario, Canada & Rockmills, Cork, Ireland
Kenneally - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Redmond - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Shepley - Ontario, Canada & Lancashire, England

Online avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,789
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:27 BST (UK) »
That does sound unusual and, frankly, rather alarming!

What dates are we talking about? Do you know anything about the deaths (e.g. unusual circumstances meriting an inquest)?

I've only ever seen a short delay (weeks at most) in the depths of winter (pre-20th century) when the ground was too frozen to dig a grave.  I've never seen an example of a delay of the length you mention or one extending through the summer months.

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline atth2o

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:35 BST (UK) »
Here's the details:

Free BMD:  Births Mar 1905, Twist  Gilbert    Faversham  2a 1006
Free BMD:  Deaths Mar 1905   Twist  Gilbert  0  Faversham  2a 627
__________________________
KFHS CD #7 - Faversham Burials:

396, 1905 01-Dec, TWIST Gilbert, 2 d, Faversham, C-179, Son of Henry R. and Effield E.
______________________________________________________________
Free BMD:  Births Jun 1923   Twist  Phyllis M  (Ellis)  Faversham  2a 1782
Free BMD:  Deaths Jun 1923   TWIST  Phyllis M  0  Faversham  2a 1012
__________________________
KFHS CD #7 - Faversham Burials:

3145, 1923 04-Dec, TWIST Phyllis Margaret, 13 d, Faversham, A-346, Dau. of Sydney J. and Bridget.
______________________________________________________________

Hope that helps.  By the way, Sydney is the son of Henry and Effield from the first entry.

Nancy
Attwater - Kent & London England (All spelling variations)
Goodwin - Kent & London England
Cronin - Ontario & Ireland
Clancy - Peter Robinson Expedition - Ontario, Canada & Rockmills, Cork, Ireland
Kenneally - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Redmond - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Shepley - Ontario, Canada & Lancashire, England


Offline Barbara F

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,717
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:45 BST (UK) »
That is really strange Nancy. 

The ages at death do not tally either. Could there be 2 families with similar forenames? Or could someone have slipped up on the transcription?

Barbara
Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Online avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 24,789
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:46 BST (UK) »
That is really strange Nancy. 

The ages at death do not tally either. Could there be 2 families with similar forenames? Or could someone have slipped up on the transcription?

Barbara

The ages at death (2 days and 13 days respectively) do seem to tally.

The whole thing is just bizarre :o  I can't think of any explanation.

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline atth2o

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Again,

That is why I am asking.  Seems really strange to me.  I can only hope that they were indeed buried sooner and possibly a ceremony took place on that date.  Grasping at straws though.

Nancy  ???
Attwater - Kent & London England (All spelling variations)
Goodwin - Kent & London England
Cronin - Ontario & Ireland
Clancy - Peter Robinson Expedition - Ontario, Canada & Rockmills, Cork, Ireland
Kenneally - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Redmond - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Shepley - Ontario, Canada & Lancashire, England

Offline Barbara F

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,717
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 August 08 16:51 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I read the small "d" as meaning died rather than days!

Barbara

Joy, Larkin, Twort, Baker, Whibley - Brenchley and Horsmonden area Kent
Fewell and Speller - Essex and London
Headington and Bateman - London
Feltwell - Norfolk and London
Lewin - India and NZ
Evan-Thomas - Wales and London
Purser and Cook - Hunts

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Melagbe

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 195
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 August 08 17:43 BST (UK) »
A bit late sorry :'(

Could it be down to weather?

Although 40 years later, I know that someone died in Liverpool, I think it was 1964 a man died and it took 3 months before he could be buried because the ground was solid after snow, ice etc and grave diggers couldnt dig.
No electrical diggers in them days  ;)

Maybe that was the reason then?

Mel
main family lines at
Wirral -( Davies, Wilson, Price, Redhead, Dawson)
Liverpool - ( Evans, Lowey, Pettigrew),
North Wales (Davies, Roberts, Owens, Gage),
Exeter (Martin, Hall, Davey, Sweetland, Follett),
Sprowston ( Stone, Germany),
Sheffield and Rotherham (Bailey/Beeley, Martin)

Offline atth2o

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
    • View Profile
Re: Burial months after death?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 August 08 19:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Mel,

That thought had crossed my mind but the deaths took place in the Spring and Summer months and the burials in December.

It would be interesting if someone had access to the actual burial archives and could look at the details.

One other thought is that the dates have been mixed up from numbers to words:

1905 01-Dec, TWIST Gilbert  (Possibly January 12, 1905)
1923 04-Dec, TWIST Phyllis Margaret  (Possibly April 12, 1923)

This would make the Death Registrations work.  If that is the case, how much of the CD is incorrect?   ???

Nancy 
Attwater - Kent & London England (All spelling variations)
Goodwin - Kent & London England
Cronin - Ontario & Ireland
Clancy - Peter Robinson Expedition - Ontario, Canada & Rockmills, Cork, Ireland
Kenneally - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Redmond - Ontario, Canada & Ireland
Shepley - Ontario, Canada & Lancashire, England