Author Topic: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire  (Read 23806 times)

Offline Redroger

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,503
  • Dad and Fireman at Kings Cross 13.7.1951
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #81 on: Friday 04 January 13 18:17 GMT (UK) »
No! The George Luffman who married Elizabeth Vickers (formerly Hogg) was in fact born c1827 in Alford 4th son of John Luffman and Sarah Sizer.Need to follow up the story about Elizabeth and her differently named father, but it does occur to me that possibly between the marriages her natural father had died and her mother remarried? Just a suggestion, I have not yet researched this.For a family that only moved into Lincolnshire in the 1790s (see previous posts) the Luffman family caused a lot of confusion.
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

Offline searchr

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 287
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #82 on: Sunday 06 January 13 05:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks. I'm glad I asked. I'm off on another tangent that's brought me right back to the John Markwell of this thread.
My Mary Hewes who m Edward Dickinson was the daughter of George Hewes and Mary West. I started exploring Wests and got back to the Wests in this thread. John (& my Thomas) Markwell from this thread had father Bartholomew Markwell. Bartholomew Markwell, I believe, was the son of a John Markwell and Sarah WEST. As well as on linclinks, there is a lot about Sarah West's family and ancestors on http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=billinghurst
It's all being nicely backed up on Lincs to the Past Horncastle registers, freereg & family search & is confirming some of http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~denisesfamily/ and http://tng.cliftonbeach.net.
Sarah's father John (who, from various entries, was a cordwainer, m Mary DAWSON and then it seems Ann FISHER in Boston, he being a widower of Horncastle: http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=551023&iid=59901) seems to be the son of William West and Sarah PACEY.
Sarah's siblings seem to have married people whose surnames link right in with Bartholomew Markwell's family:
Sarah West's sister Mary seems to have married a William MORLEY, which links back to the earlier supposition in this thread about why the John Markwell of this thread called himself Morley.
Sarah West's sister Ann seems to have m a John BEECHAM. There's more about them on http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gmullins
The John Markwell of this thread and his brother, my Thomas, had a brother Isaac, sometimes called Isaac Beecham Markwell.
Sarah West's sister Frances is also said to have married a LACEY. I haven't explored much there yet.

Of course, I haven't made any link to the Mary West who m George Hews, but I'm having a good time.

Offline Redroger

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,503
  • Dad and Fireman at Kings Cross 13.7.1951
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 06 January 13 12:56 GMT (UK) »
What do you know about Mary Dawson? There may be a further entanglement there. To digress a moment several years ago Doncaster FHS had a presentation about a family entanglement in Lincolnshire by an archivist from Lincolnshire RO. To my astonishment I discovered that much of her talk concerned the Dawson family into which my Luffman family had married. The known facts are these, a Susannah Hudson (1823-1905) had married a farmer Cartwright Dawson with whom she had 10 children. Cartwright died c1860, and his widow Susannah married William Luffman, an older brother of my grandfather with whom she had a further 3 children. Since this predated the married women's property Acts William went from farm labourer to farmer in one easy move!!
A generation earlier a previous William Luffman also married a Hudson, in this case Frances; it is a sordid tale indeed as William married her 2 days or so after he along with her brother and a further accomplice had committed a highway robbery. For this they were all sentenced to hang, but as was common practice the sentence was commuted to life transportation. William died there in 1841. I have not yet been able to confirm whether there is a familial connection between the two Hudson generations, but so far as I have been able to follow the families it does seem likely. For further threads on this matter put Hudson in the search box, and they along with some others will come up.This is just another mystery in my convoluted ancestry; and that is just the Lincolnshire side of the family!
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)


Offline searchr

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 287
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #84 on: Sunday 06 January 13 20:19 GMT (UK) »
I like it when there are twists and turns.
This is what I have about Mary Dawson:
This is from 3 general registers: http://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/552725.record?pt=T http://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/711916.record?pt=T
http://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/719149.record?pt=T
She's also on 3 world connect databases: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=anna-louise http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=billinghurst http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gmullins
I found a christening that could be her: Mary dau/ Wm Dawson & Mary 19 Jan 1713 Horncastle Par/ 1/ 6 p. 60/ 139 & Par/ 1/ 3 p. 50/ 73 I've just seen that the Billinghurst database says she could be b 1713 dau/ William Dawson & Mary HODGSON, from a family tree on ancestry, so that fits.
Her m: Jno West Singl Man Mary Dawson Spinsr 3 Nov 1740 Horncastle Par/ 1/ 5 p. 11/ 178 Lincolnshire (also on freereg with Church St Mary)
her possible bu: Mary West wife/ John West 6 Aug 1771 Horncastle Par/ 1/ 5 p. 146/ 178 Lincolnshire (before John's possible remarriage in Boston the next year & fits with d 1771 from the family tree from Billinghust)
Her children's christenings are on family search batch no. C01293-4, as well as on Lincs to the Past & freereg.

Offline Redroger

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,503
  • Dad and Fireman at Kings Cross 13.7.1951
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #85 on: Monday 07 January 13 21:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that. Will check those sources out in the near future.
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

Offline searchr

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 287
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #86 on: Tuesday 08 January 13 20:37 GMT (UK) »
I started looking up Hudson as you suggested, and the first  thread I read did my head in! There is a limit to twists and turns when it comes to people of the same name.
Also, HODSON might just be a possible link between HUDSON, HUTSON and HODGSON. I found some Hodsons on some pages in some Horncastle parishes (Not saying I've gone through all the pages in these at all) e.g. http://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/547124.record?pt=T p 42 http://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/711916.record?pt=T pages 140, 148, 158, 173.

Offline searchr

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 287
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Parish Register of Horncastle or Wainfleet, Lincolnshire
« Reply #87 on: Tuesday 16 April 19 22:35 BST (UK) »
Quote
On his marriage cert. in 1841 (in London) he was John, aged “minor” (i.e. less than 21) and in the 1841 Census (in London) earlier on that same year he was John, aged “15” (in that Census they put “15” for anyone between 15 and 20). He was born then between 1822 and 1826, I imagine it was closer to 1822, making him 19 or possibly 20 at marriage. He was a tailor, and in 1841 he was living with his brother Benjamin and family of 4 children in London.
Hi all,
I know it's been ages but thought someone might be interested in some explorations I've been doing in British newspapers. I also will make some new posts in the main part of Lincs about tailors, bargeman/ boaters/ boatmen/ watermen, labourers & drovers in Lincs.
How well off do people think the Markwells were? What would their life have been like?
Bartholomew's death in Wainfleet All Saints was reported in the papers in Mar. 1840.
In Wainfleet All Saints again, Susanna's marriage to Mr. Jeremiah Sharp & Hannah's marriage to Mr. John Holmes (both Mrs.) were reported in Dec 1833 & Jun 1843 respectively.
Benjamin in Oct 1838 in London was applying to be discharged re a bankruptcy, before he and his family left for America in 1852.
A Mr. Isaac Beecham seems to have owned places where Markwells lived in Horncastle, as in July 1820 he was selling off a places occupied by Wm. & John Markwell (not sure who they were). I don't think it was just as a real estate person because by Nov 1839 another cottage was being sold off, with Samuel Markwell as tenant (ours?) bordered by one belonging to an heir of Mr. Isaac Beecham.
In 1841 Sarah, a widow, was living with (her sons presumably) ag. labourers Bartholomew & Samuel.
Thomas in 1841 was a bargeman, and from his children's baptisms in the 1840s was variously a boater, boatman or waterman before he was a labourer by 1847. He was a drover by 1861 & in Jun 1860 as a drover of Wainfleet was reported to have stolen a coat from the roadside and been sentenced to 3 months' imprisonment.
I'm wondering what they would have been thinking, as tailors & children of a tailor, about all the weaver and spinner unrest in the early 1800s.
Hope this is of interest.