John Knapper/Napper 1789 CONFIRMED THANK YOU

[wendy47]

Hi

Do you have Catherine in the Census? Could this be her?

1851 Census for Diglis, St Peter's Worcester, Worcestershire
Sarah Dugard     40 Head Single Schoolmistress b Dodderhill, Worcestershire
Catherine Dugard    2 Dau b St John's Worcester
Sarah M Tyler    6 [looks like 5] Visitor b St Peter's Worcestershire
   
HO107 Piece 2042 Folio 802 Page 22

1861 Census for Cape Road, Harborne, Staffordshire  b St John's Worcester
Sarah Dugard     50 Head b Dodderhill, Worcestershire
Catharine Dugard    12 Visitor b St John's Worcester
 Class RG9 Piece 2125 Folio 134 Page 31


Deaths Jun 1866 
Dugard    Sarah    56    Aston    6d   188

Wendy

[nettie57]

hi Wendy
yes i have checked for a few years ahead up to 1900 but so far no luck.!
yes this the right Catherine in 1851 Worcs and 1861 Aston , i have the death of Sarah her mother in 1866, but no positive entry for Catherine in 1871. then she reappears 1881 as john s wife!
i find it frustrating that as i am working i dont get as much free time as i would like doing my tree !
i started with the nappers and it grew as i am now doing both mothers and fathers at the same time.. but i jump between the two.. the nappers are the ones with the most "mysteries" though.. missing marriages etc.
 have you any info re; Emily1878 and Sarah Jane 1875 napper in the Ledbury union workhouse in 1881? i think they maybe connected to Ellen Knapper daughter of Thomas Knapper woolhope in 1881, Ellen married a Joseph Fido in Dec. qtr 1882 but i cant quite link the 2 girls to her!
not sure yet of the connection between the knappers and our nappers but i think there is one!
as i think part of the family kept the" K" in napper as john 1789 was a "knapper" originally! again not found the link yet!
Annette 

[wendy47]

Hi Annette

These are the two in the workhouse
Births Sep 1875
Napper    Sarah Jane    Ledbury    6a    460
Births Jun 1878
NAPPER    Emily    Ledbury    6a    489

There is an Ellen born in Aylton

Births Jun 1856
NAPPER    Ellen    Ledbury    6a    401

Thomas is b in Aylton not Coylton

1861 Census for Jacobs Leys, Aylton, Herefordshire
Thomas Mappes  [Napper] 30 Head Ag Lab b Munsley
Mary Mappes    24 Wife b Aylton
Mary Ann Mappes 7 dau b Bosbury
Ellen Mappes    5 dau b Ledbury
Sarah Ann Mappes    3  Dau b Aylton
Jane Mappes    1 Dau b Aylton
   
 RG9 Piece 1811 Folio 81 Page 9

1881 Census The Nurden, Woolhope, Herefordshire

Thomas Knapper     50 Head General Lab b Ledbury
Mary Knapper    46 Wife b Aylton
Ellen Knapper    27 Dau Unmarried b Ledbury
Thomas Knapper 15 Son b Aylton
Rose Knapper    9 Dau b Aylton
Albert Knapper   7 Son b Aylton
James Knapper 7 Grandson b Aylton
Sarah Knapper   2 Grandau b Woolhope
Alice Knapper  6 Months Grandau b Woolhope
Charles Knapper 11 Son b Aylton

RG11 Piece 2583 Folio 107 Page 8
 
I think Alice may be Ellen's dau too.

Births Sep 1880   
NAPPER    Alice Clara         Ledbury    6a   473

Possible death
Deaths Jun 1889   
Napper    Alice aged 8    Ledbury    6a   271

1891 Census for Bosbury Suffield, Bosbury, Herefordshire

Joseph Fidel [Fidoe]   36 Head Ag Lab b Bosbury
Ellen Fidel    34 Wife b Woolhope
Sarah Napper    13 Illegitimate dau b Woolhope
Annie Fidel    11 Dau b Bosbury
William Fidel    6 Son b Bosbury
Jane Fidel    3 Dau b Bosbury
Lily Fidel    1 Dau b Woolhope
RG12 Piece 2051 Folio 11 Page 16

I can't find the birth of Annie. Could she be Alice


So the Sarah Jane in the workhouse in 1881 is not the dau of Ellen above.

But maybe this is Sarah dau of Ellen
1901 Census for Ledbury Union Workhouse, Ledbury

Sarah Napper     23 General Servant Domestic b Woolhope, Herefordshire
Alfred Napper    4 months b Ledbury
RG13 Piece 2471 Folio 95 Page 3


Possible for Thomas

1851 Census for Jugs Green Lane Ledbury

William Knapper  43 [62] Head Farm Labourer b Munsley
Jane Knapper    58 [50] Wife b Much Marcle
Thomas Knapper    21 Son Farm Labourer b Bosbury
Thomas Acre    32 Lodger Farm Labourer b Oxford
   
HO 107 Piece 1975 Folio 221 Page 13

   
1841 Census for Little Nelmes?, Ledbury
William Happer [Napper] 49 Born in county
Jane Happer    40 Born in county
Thomas Happer    11 Born in county

HO107 Piece 425 Book 3  Folio 8; Page 11

IGI Individual Record
THOMAS NAPPER
Christening:  06 JUN 1830      Bosbury, Hereford, England
Father:     WILLIAM NAPPER      Mother:     JANE    
Source Information:
Batch No.:     Dates:     Source Call No.:     Type:     Printout Call No.:     Type:
C017242     1813 - 1861     0991970      Film     NONE         Sheet: 00

William is the right age and at the right place, Munsley, to be John Knapper's 1789 brother who is the son of John Knapper & Hannah Rawlins m 1785 Munsley.

Wendy

[nettie57]

hi Wendy
wow, you have been busy!!! ...
i did find Alice and i too think that she is Ellens, but does that mean that James in the 1881 age 7 is also Ellens?
i think the death of Alice is the same child as the age fits. as you say, the Sarah in the workhouse cant be ellens as in 1881 she has a daughter Sarah at woolhope on the same census. there are 2 Sarah Napper births, Sarah Napper b sept qtr 1878 and a Sarah Jane Napper b sept qtr 1875 and an Emily Napper b June qtr 1878. so the Sarah born 1878 must be Ellens .. as she is age 2 in 1881.?
so i wonder who the others belong to?
 looking at the 1861  census for thomas i see that Ellen has 3 sisters so its possible they belong to 1 of them.
i also could not find a birth for Annie, if the death of Alice in 1889 is the same Alice, b 1880, she died 2 years before the 1891 census.! i haven't found another Alice napper birth as yet. but the age fits so its possible.
i thought there was a family connection between thomas knapper and John napper, that would make Thomas b 1830 and John Napper b 1825 cousins ?
the 1901 entry for a Sarah napper in the workhouse is a possible, i found a marriage for a Sarah Napper to a Samuel Trigg Dec qtr 1902 and found them on the 1911 but i just checked and there is no Alfred! but couldn't find a death for Alfred between1901 and 1911..so not sure..
will send you a private message with my e-mail, thanks for all the info, hope i will be able to pass some on to you in return.
Annette

[nettie57]

hi Wendy
  i found a death for an Ellen Fido, age 40 Ledbury Sept qtr 1893, also an Ellen Fido death age 0 Ledbury Sept qtr 1893... could possibly be Ellen napper and maybe died in child birth.. couldn't find her on the 1901 census. i did find a Joseph Fido with a wife and children in wales cant remember where now though. not sure if i wrote it down?! , i have note pads and papers full of bits and bobs i have found, 
still will try and send you my e-mail now..!!
Annette