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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #9 on: Friday 12 September 08 15:00 BST (UK) »
aaahhhh haaaaa


1881
 Orby
Thomas Elliott head mar 26 gipsy horse dealer b NK
Sarah J wife 25 b NK
CHARLOTTE dau 1 b Orby
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Gipsies Camp

john Smith head widr  gipsy Lincs NK
edward son 17 single gipsy b louth
Richard son 12 gipsy b louth

can't see Rebecca Goddard nee Smith in 1881  :-\

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #10 on: Friday 12 September 08 16:42 BST (UK) »
hi again

have been working on ;
Walter c.1866 at Wainfleet, and also apparently again in 1866 at Melton Ross.


okay ...here's one ...

marriage;
Sept q 1890, Bourne
Eleanor Ann Abbott = Walter Smith

1891
Mill Lane Eastgate, Bourne
sarah Asrey head wid 77 b Bourne
WALTER SMITH boarder mar 26 Miller's lab b Bourne
Eleanor A Smith wife 22 b Bourne
William E Abbott Grandson 4 b Bourne

1901
Bourne
Walter SMITH head mar 36 ordinary ag lab
Eleanore wife 32
john W son 7
Florence L dau 4
Alb E ?? son  5 months

let me know what you think

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #11 on: Friday 12 September 08 17:18 BST (UK) »
an interesting marriage;

John SMITH = Alice GRAY
dec q 1884
Caistor

in 1901 there is a John Smith b 1867 kirby married to Alice and with kids.

not so such about this  :-\

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 September 08 17:42 BST (UK) »
Have been looking for Theresa b c 1875

found this death;

Hezekiah Brown abt 1900 Dec q 1900 Louth Lincolnshire  :'(
7a 332

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 September 08 17:45 BST (UK) »
Blimming heck slow down there woman you more obsessed than me lmao

I shall have to go and draw some of this up see if I can make sense of it.... well done for spotting Godfrey Goddard died. He had a son Godfrey Goddard who also died I think at the same time.

Wasnt aware of the Elliot marriage tho..... VERY interesting.

Many many thanks xxx

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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #14 on: Friday 12 September 08 17:56 BST (UK) »
Hi An65

Still searching ... found this;

Marriage; all these names on same page:

Jun q 1904 Doncaster
vol 9c p1293

Christopher Elliott
John Arthur Elliott
Mary Anne Mills
Abigail Smith

coincidence or what?  ;D

deb

Thats really wierd because:

Constance Pierce aka Winter (also poss aka Smith) married Eldred aka Ephraim Brown and they had

Christopher who married Abigail Smith - they had two known daughters Alice and Constance.


Constance sister Sinfai (aka Sophia) married William Brown and they had John Arthur Brown who married Mary Ann Elliot.


Now all of this is according to the old records in the JGLS - but I have been able to find these people on the census and other records....

Constance was baptised in 1847 at Louth.
John Arthur Brown was born cir 1871 at Caistor.

is that marriage using alias's, and after the childrens births? such things are not unheard of in Romany circles.



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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #15 on: Friday 12 September 08 17:59 BST (UK) »
Hi  ;D

obsessed ...me .... never  8)

when did Theresa marry Harry brown ...I cannot spot them in 1901.

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #16 on: Friday 12 September 08 18:00 BST (UK) »
That Hezekiah Brown was suposed to belong to the Brown side of the family.....

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Re: Thomas Smith and Mary Brown
« Reply #17 on: Friday 12 September 08 18:02 BST (UK) »
I dont know Hezekiah was bapt at Louth in 1900 s/o Harry Brown and Theresa........