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scamp family
« on: Sunday 05 October 08 20:59 BST (UK) »
hello everyone,cathayb if your looking in debsusa and everyone who helped me when i was looking at my dads tree,ive been away from the computer lately.im looking at my mums side of the family at the moment and have found a connection to a samson or samuel scamp born canterbury area around 1840.his wife was faith ganges born around 1849 in herne st,kent.their children were samuel,esther,phoebe,susan,isabel,alfred ,thomas and charles.samson was a general dealer,his son samuel was a general hawker.susan married john cooper,an agricultural labourer born around 1880,marshside,kent.on 1901 census,they are at fortune passage,canterbury,lots of other scamps are neighbours working as liscensed hawkers,wardrobe dealers,horse dealers,have no idea if theyre connected.my connection comes through gambrill,rigden webb families from whitstable,canterbury,faversham and surrounding areas.any help adding to what ive got here would be greatly appreciated,nel.   

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Re: scamp family
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 October 08 14:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Nel

Nice to see you again  ;D

I think Samson/Samuel may have had more children   ;D John (who you have not stated) is 25 in 1891 and Phoebe is 16 ...I am sure there must have been more  ;D

1891
St Mildred Canterbury
6 Fowlers passge?
Samuel SCAMP head mar 44 shop dealer b Kent, Littlebourne
Faith wife 39 b Herne st
John son 25 shop dealer b ?arnsgate
Phebe 16
Samuel 14
ester 12
Susan 10
Isabel 8
Alfred 4
Thomas 2

Samuel/Samson's age has also changed LOL

deb ...will look for more

PS do you have them in all censuses or just 1901?
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: scamp family
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 October 08 14:35 BST (UK) »
Nel

Which of Samuel and Faith's children do you come from?

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 October 08 14:48 BST (UK) »
Nel

Not sure if you have seen this but there are submitted entries on IGI with this info:

Sampson or Samuel Scamp
born 1844
christened; 5 May 1844   Littlebourne
died; 1902   Canterbury
married; Faith Gambrill or Gaines or Ganges 1870 Canterbury
parents: John Scamp and Grace Lee


I am still looking for their marriage reg... :-\

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: scamp family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 October 08 15:55 BST (UK) »
Hi again Nel

It seems as though someone has done a lot of work on the Scamp family ....

IGI has these records for children of Samson and Faith Scamp.


John Scamp -  28 Jan 1867 Ramsgate

George Scamp - 1 Apr 1872 Canterbury

Phoebe Scamp -  20 APR 1874 Ramsgate

Samuel Scamp -  1876 Minster

Esther Scamp -  22 Nov 1878 Sandwich

Susannah Scamp -  12 Dec 1880 canterbury

Isabell Scamp - 14 Jan 1883 Canterbury

Riley Alfred Scamp - 5 Jul 1885 Canterbury

Thomas Scamp -4 Nov 1888 Canterbury

Faith Amelia Scamp - circa 1900 Canterbury

Charles Scamp - circa1891 Canterbury, Kent

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 October 08 16:20 BST (UK) »
Nel ...going round and round in circles with this family   :P

no luck with 1881 or 1871 yet.... but I have found Faith Scamp nee Gaines/Gambrill/Ganges

1851
Albion Place, Herne
John GAINS head unm 29 Tinman b Unknown
Elizabeth GAMBRILL unm 27 housekeeper b Westwell
Amelia          "   housekeeper's daughter 8 b Canterbury
John             "       "     son  5 b Witasham?
FAITH GAMBRILL    "    daughter  2   b Herne

according to the submitted entries on IGI
Faith died  26 Oct 1929   Canterbury
 will try to find her in 1861

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: scamp family
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 October 08 22:25 BST (UK) »
debs,thanks for the replies,my connection comes through the gambrills.my great grandfathers brother married martha webb,her sister elizabeth married jersey gambrill.my great grandfather is from a big family in whitstable,but they were mostly oyster dredgers and fisherman,i had no idea there were any romany connections there.ive been contacted by several people on Genes Reunited who have given me a lot of info on samsons family,his father,as you said,was john,his mother grace lee.johns parents were sampson and celia lee.sampsons father was john b1720,canterbury and mother was elizabeth norman b1720 canterbury.theyve also given me a lot of brothers and sisters from all generations,including more sampsons,a few marriages including more lees,a couple of boswells,wilsons,coopers etc.finding this out has made me wonder about my great grandmother,shes a complete mystery,will post a seperate thread on her tomorrow,any assistance would be greatly appreciated.once again debs,thanks for your help,nel.

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Re: scamp family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 October 10 17:34 BST (UK) »
Can any one help us trace Patience Scamp who we think married John Eastwood around 1906. We believe that Patience was the daughter of Sidney J Scamp and have found her in the 1911 census. Noah and Jack Eastwood are the children of Patience and John Eastwood however no records appear to exist? ???
mills, eastwood, eastwood holmes, sussex. Foreman, eastwood, mills kent

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 October 10 18:17 BST (UK) »
Do you have Patience in 1901?

RG13/841 Folio 19 Page 29
5 New Street, Dover, Kent

Sidney J Scamp 41 Peg & Skewer Maker Kent Gravesend
Sisseli 39 Hawker Sussex Worthing
Gilderoy 18 Hawker Hampshire Portsmouth
Riley 16 Hawker Kent Boughton
Patience 14 Hawker Hampshire Romsey in Mud
Noah 12 Hawker Kent Swanley
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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