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« Reply #18 on: Thursday 09 October 08 22:23 BST (UK) »
Nessie

The National Archives site has the will of James Colvin Manchester Street, Middlesex in 1847. You could download it from there for 3.50.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=111751&queryType=1&resultcount=1

It looks possible given the link with Manchester Street on the 1841 that Steve found.


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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 09 October 08 22:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Nessie,

Dave directed me to this thread as he knows I have a copy of the pre-1855 MI Books for both East and West Stirlingshire.

Unfortunately there are no Colvins listed in any of the Falkirk Churchyards but there are, however, quite a collection of them buried in Dunipace Old Churchyard which is on the outskirts of Falkirk but within Falkirk district.

One of these Colvins, an Elizabeth Colvin, married James Allan and their daughter Elizabeth Allan died in India in 1808 aged 19. (Elizabeth Allan, nee Colvin was the daughter of Alexander Colvin)

There is a relationship between this family and the Spottiswood(e) family (who owned the Estates of Dunipace from around 1772 and also had dealings with the East India Company from around 1803), but I'm not sure what that relationship was. The estate was inherited eventually in 1880 by a Elizabeth Spottiswood(e) who married a John Harvie-Brown.)

Anyway, I'm not trying to give you a lecture on local history! ;D

The Colvins buried in Dunipace Old Churchyard are as follows:

1. James Allan & Elizabeth Colvin (*date on stone 1791)

2. Samuel Colvin, John Colvin, Alexander Colvin (*date on stone 1791)

3. George Colvin died 24.05.1798 age 38, Margaret Renny (presumably his wife) died 19.08.1838 age 79

4. Grizzel Prop died 1807, for many years servant in Colvin Family, Denovan Bleachfield

*These dates can indicate the year the lair/plot was purchased, the year of death of a child or the year of death of one of those mentioned

From No. 4, I think we can presume that the Colvin Family were the owners of Denovan Bleachfield which was close by and that possibly a connection to India for dyes etc.

From the 'Lands and Lairds of Dunipace Parishes, by John C, Gibson, it's stated that also part of this Colvin Family was a Sidney Colvin, a well known author and art critic.

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 09 October 08 22:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Anne  :)

I think the James died in London or India rather than Stirling (see above) .  Also the links that Steve has put up are worth reading before any conclusions are reached.

The George Colvin looks very interesting, given the naming of one of Mary's children.


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« Reply #21 on: Friday 10 October 08 10:45 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your help

The Illustrious Colvin family on all experts was me posting a request! I know all about THE Colvin Family in Calcutta. Colvin, Barratt & Co.

I have tried all of the british families in India sites. The Glasgow library, which has a link to the Edinburgh library.The Bengal obituaries. The Edinburgh Archives. Genes Reunited just about everything you can think of but I am stuck stuck stuck on this blooming james. The James Colvin in middlesex was THE james Colvin living with benjamin colvin- no relation that I can find.

I have tried searching for Mary Colvin Gibbs death but can't find it! Got a couple of possibles between 1861+ 1871 in Edinburgh but can't be sure!!

I believe Mary died between 1861 - 1871 as that is when she dissapears off the census but I don't know where? last known adress 3 Meadows, Newington, Edinburgh 1862 death cert of Hubby.. If I could even find her death then I could order the cert which should have more info. I have her husbands death info 1862.


Thank you so much for your help. I wish I was back in Inverness just now as it would make this quest a lot easier!!

Thanks again

Nessie in a very very wet Spain!
Williamson, Martin, Wynne, Miller, McLellan, Parker, Colvin, Gibb.

All living in & around Edinburgh as some point!

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« Reply #22 on: Friday 10 October 08 11:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Nessie  :)

I've been looking at the joint will of Thomas Gibb and Mary Colvin. It was originally made and signed by them jointly in 1862 and then signed singly by Mary in 1864. This narrows down her death date. In the 1871 her daughter Margaret C Gibb is running a boarding house at 6 Hope Park Square, Edinburgh. There is no sign of Mary(as you say)  or a death - I've checked using various wildcards. Could she have gone to England/India/somewhere else  :-\ :-\ :-\

I'm also having probs locating the death of Thomas Gibb - if you have the cert could you give details please.

It's all very odd. They seem to disappear completely.


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« Reply #23 on: Friday 10 October 08 11:47 BST (UK) »
The will mentions their son Andrew Gibb and son in law Charles Andrew Martin. Have you followed these people up to see if there are any clues there?

She must be out there somewhere  :-\


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« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 October 08 12:28 BST (UK) »
Summary for others:

Mary Colvin/Colven m Thomas Gibb on  19 October 1818 at Falkirk.  Proclamation of Banns, Falkirk , 17  Oct 1818 says Mary is daughter of James Colvin/Colven, Esq. at Calcutta, Mary residing at Falkirk. (OPRs)

Mary and Thomas Gibb have the following children St Cuthberts, Edinburgh (IGI):

1819 Margaret
1821 Andrew
circa 1824 Euphemia (from Censuses)
1825 Thomas
1826 Mary
1828 Helen
1829 Christina
1834 Eliza Colvin
1836 George
1838 Catherine Ann

1841
St Cuthberts, Edinburgh:
Thos Gibb, 44, Comm agent, b. Scotland
Mary, 40, b. Scotland
Margret, 20
Euphemia, 17
Mary, 15
Thomas, 10
Cath Ann, 3
Charlotte Petree, 20, Female Servant, b. Midlothian

all children b. Midlothian

1851
4 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh St Cuthbert

Thomas Gibb, 56, comm agent (tea and grocery0, b. Dunbar
Maria, 53, b. Calcutta, India - B.S
Margaret, 31
Euphemia, 27
Christina, 21
Eliza, 16
Catherine Ann, 12
Isabella Gregory, 25, house servant, b. Berwickshire
Mary, McDougald, 19
all b. Edinburgh except where stated otherwise

1861

108 Lauriston Place, Edinburgh St Cuthbert

Thomas Gibb, 65, commission Agenetn & Merchant - hams, spicery and F, employing 2 men, b.Dunbar
Mary C, 63, b. Calcutta, India
Margaret C, 41, b. Edinburgh
Catherine A, 22, b. Edinburgh
Mary C Murray, niece, 6, scholar (privately at home), B. New York, Am, B S
Euphemia S Murray, niece, 5, scholar (privately at home), B. New York, Am, B S
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Margaret Black, 28, domestic servant, b. Leuchars, Fife
Agnes Fraser, 26, Domestic, b. Edinburgh

Will - 1 July 1862 - jointly signed by Thomas Gibb, commision agent rsiding Meadow Place, Edinburgh and Mary Gibb, daughter of James Colvin, merchant in Calcutta   Subsequently signed by Mary Gibb alone on 26th February 1864. Will mentions son Andrew Gibb and son in law Charles Andrew Martin.

Added - Thomas Gibb died shortly afterwards.

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 11 October 08 14:16 BST (UK) »
Just trying to search for Thomas or Mary's deaths - no luck. Found some clues though, might help someone.

Charles A. Martin was husband of Eliza Colvin Gibb, b. 1834. She died 1868. Thomas deceased by then, her mother was not.

Margaret Colvin Gibb (b. 1819) died 1885 in Edinburgh. Both parents deceased by that year.

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 11 October 08 14:24 BST (UK) »
:D Found Thomas'.

Thomas died July 6th 1864 1862 :-[ at 3 Meadow Pl., Edinburgh. Parents Andrew Gibb, merchant (dec.) and Euphemia Gibb m.s. Black (also dec.)

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