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Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« on: Friday 17 October 08 12:08 BST (UK) »
Hi All

I do not know if this man will be in Northamptonshire or elsewhere in 1871.

I have been given a lot of help by Dee and Sashar on the Australian board
about Frederick being a resident at Liverpool etc although born in Northamptonshire.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,334774.0.html

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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:32 BST (UK) »
Sandy

This appears to be his birth.....in Liverpool!

What makes you think he was born in Northants?

Jun 1860   JONES  Frederick Abraham in   W Derby ref  8b page 411

Will look for him in 1861 and 71 next.

Carol x

Edit....too many Fred Jones's to be sure which one he is.
Do you know parents or siblings names at all?
There's a 3 month old Frederick A Jones(twin) in 1861 in Everton,which is West Derby district,that could be him.Although the age would be a bit out for a June 1860 birth!
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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:35 BST (UK) »
Sandy, how do you know he was born in Northamptonshire? As Carol says there's a birth index entry in West Derby (which is a suburb of Liverpool).

Carol, just to save you a bit of work, I've found him, I think in the 1871 and 1861 censuses. We were looking at the same time! I'm just not sure if he's the right one because there's a Frederick JONES born 1861 in Wavertree on the 1901 census.

1871 census 26 Ash Grove, Wavertree (which is very near Chester). RG10/3851 folio 118 page 33

Abraham JONES Head mar 36 National Schoolmaster born Rochdale Lancashire
Annie JONES Wife mar 36 born in Liverpool
Mary E. JONES Daur Unm 13 Scholar born in Liverpool
Frederick A. JONES Son 10 Scholar born in Liverpool
Charles Afd (?) JONES Son 7 Scholar born in Liverpool
Stanley W. JONES Son 5 Scholar born in Liverpool
Edith A. JONES Daur 1 born in Liverpool

In 1861 they are in West Derby, Liverpool RG9/2734 folio 30 page 6
Abraham JONES Head Marr 26 National Schoolmaster born in Rochdale Lancashire
Annie JONES Wife Marr 37 born in Liverpool Lancashire
Mary Elizabeth JONES 3 born in Liverpool Lancashire
Frederick Abraham JONES 10 mo born in Liverpool Lancashire

There are birth index entries for Charles A. Jones Jul-sep 1866 West Derby 8b 403, Stanley Wilfred Jones Oct-Dec 1865 West Derby Lancashire 8b 503. There are several possible entries for Mary E. and Edith A. Jones, so I haven’t listed them here.

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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:41 BST (UK) »
Aniseed,

Glad you got in when you did  ;D have just found the same 1871 with dad Abraham(which looks good for Fred's middle name!) you saved me having to type it out.

Carol
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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:43 BST (UK) »
I just checked back to get some more details and found your reply! What do you think about the chap who says he was born in Wavertree (rather than Liverpool) in the 1901 census? Is he likely to be the Frederick Abraham Jones we found born in Liverpool and living in Wavertree in 1871?

Also, I’ve just found a Frederick Jones on the 1861 census (RG9/2715 folio 74 page 7) who was born in Liverpool, age 3 months, but who has siblings who were born in Van D Land Hobart Town. This is quite interesting since he already has an Australian connection. His father is William H JONES Head M 32 pensioner born in Anglesea and his mother is Anne Wife M 32 born in Ireland.

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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:50 BST (UK) »

Also, I’ve just found a Frederick Jones on the 1861 census (RG9/2715 folio 74 page 7) who was born in Liverpool, age 3 months, but who has siblings who were born in Van D Land Hobart Town. This is quite interesting since he already has an Australian connection. His father is William H JONES Head M 32 pensioner born in Anglesea and his mother is Anne Wife M 32 born in Ireland.

Yes that was the one I liked the look of originally,where Frederick is a twin,BUT I was concerned that the age didn't stack up to a Jun 1860 birth,and it's a clear 3 months on the image.

So I'd rather go with the 10 mth old one whose dad is called Abraham.

You choose Sandy.........where have you gone  :P

Carol x
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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 October 08 16:53 BST (UK) »
Aniseed

I can't see the one you mean in 1901? Can you give me a clue please  ;D
There are only 2 born Wavertree and neither are anywhere near 1860?

Are you saying if it's the same chap then it can't be Sandy's one who died age 22 in 1882?

Carol
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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 October 08 17:16 BST (UK) »
I’m sorry, I’m getting brain-ache! I missed out a vital link in the chain. In the 1881 census RG11/3650 folio 8 page 10, there is a Frederick A. Jones living in Toxteth Park Lodger, Mar, 20, bus driver, born in Lancashire Wavertree who is married to Mary A Jones, Wife, Mar, 19, born in Liverpool, with child Henry A. age 3 months born in Liverpool.

Then in 1901  RG13/3432 folio 17 page 26 There is a Frederick A Jones living in Toxteth Park Head M 40 Foreman born in Liverpool who is married to Mary A. Jones wife 38 born in Liverpool, No son Henry, but he'd have been 20 by then and may well have left home. Several other children are there, though.

I'm assuming that the two Freds are the same person. So he can't decide whether he was born in Wavertree (1881) or Liverpool (1901) , or perhaps someone else filled in the census in 1881 and didn't know his place of birth for sure. And yes, I am saying that if this chap is the same one as the son of Abraham and Annie in 1871, he can’t be the same one that Sandy’s looking for. Not sure how we can tell for sure.

Also I’ve just found another Frederick Jones in 1861 RG10/3841 folio 138 page 12 aged 10 born in Liverpool and living in West Derby son of William Jones 33 Jeweller born in Liverpool and Eliza Jones 31 born in Liverpool. I think I need to go and lie down in a darkened room!

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Re: Frederick Abraham Jones 1871
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 October 08 17:19 BST (UK) »
I think I need to go and lie down in a darkened room!


Can I join you  8)

Or on second thoughts have just seen the time and should get the dinner started!

Carol
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