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Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #1
« on: Tuesday 21 October 08 20:24 BST (UK) »
I am trying to make a connection between three men that I suspect were brothers they are James HEDGES born abt. 1815 in Plumbsted Kent and William HEDGES born abt. 1816 in Underriver, Kent. and Job HEDGES born abt. 1821 in Windsor, Berks.
I have them all togeather at Hunton, Kent. when they each had a child christened on Oct. 1 1848.
I also have them on census return when James is in Romford in 1871 and has Jobs son Job jnr. with him.
There is obviously a close family connection but I have no evidence to prove this.
I have had no luck in tracing any record that would give me the parents name of any of these three men.
I have become so desperate I have ordered a certificate that may or may not be a very late marriage for Job HEDGES to a Rosanna SWAN in 1863 Romford if this is my Job he would have been in his early 40's and his son Job jnr. married the following year in 1864.
Can anyone offer advice on what I could try next to either connect these three or to find the parents of William Hedges who I am descended from.
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire

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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 October 08 20:14 BST (UK) »
Hi

I see Job Hedges in 1851 transcribed as HODGES
Caravans
Long Lane Bexley

Job Hodges head mar residing in traveller's caravan/hawker b Berks Windsor
Rosa wife 32 b Sussex
William son 13 b Tonbridge wells Kent
Harriet 11 unemployed b kent Barning?
Job son 8 b Kent Braidhurst
James son 6 b Kent Cliffe
Jeremiah son 2 b Sussex

then I see Job jnr next door to James and Eliza hedges in 1871

1851
transcribed under Hedgis
St Mary, Kent
travelling house :) cart standing in Barns st
James Hedgis head mar 36 dealer in mats b Plumstead
Eliza wife 35
Esther 14
Sophia 12
Sebena 11
Golias 9
Elijah 5
Alfred 3
Olive 3 months
children b Kent

then in 1871
William Hedges b 1816 Under River, chair bottomer is with wife Frances, lodging with them is Alfred Hedges head mar 27b Kent Borstal with wife Eliza and children Emma John and Alfred. Next door is John 25 and Jane 26 Hedges.

going round in circles here  :-\ ;D

Do you have all the children of  the supposed brother's families?

I just don't want to cover what you already have ...so if you could tell us what censuses you do have them in that would help.

will search further

deb :)


Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 October 08 21:37 BST (UK) »
Yes Got most of that. the census returns I have are as follows.

1851 Job Hedges Listed as  Job Hodges in Bexley Heath, long Lane
1881 Job Hedges Listed as John Hedges in West Ham Essex Chapple Cottage
1861 William Hedges Chatham, Upper St.
1871 William Hedges Chatham, Jenkins Dale
1871 James Hedges Romford, Moss St,

I think James is the eldest born Abt 1815 in Plumbsted. Wife is Eliza.
His Children are
Esther 1837
Sophia 1839
selena 1840
Golias 1842
Eliajh 1845
Alfred 1848
Olive 1851

Then William born abt.  1816 in Underriver Kent. Wife Frances Jennings (Known as Fanny)
His Children are
William 1832
Sampson 1839
Joseph  1843
Alfred 1845
John 1848

Williams children stayed in the Chatham area and I have many Census with them on.

Then Job born  abt. 1821 Windsor Berks. Wife Rosa Also referred to on Death cert. as Rosanna.
His Children are
William  1838
Harriet 1840
Job 1843
James 1845
Jeremiah 1848

Job's family as you can see stayed often in Essex.
I have just made a discovery on the Free BMD Jobs son Job Jnr. married in Romford in 1864 and when doing a search I found a marriage for a Job HEDGES in Romford for the year 1863 I was playing with the idea that Job HEDGES Snr. may have had a civil marriage late in life. So took a risk and ordered a cert. It gives
Married on Dec 28th Job HEDGES aged 40 Batchelor occupation Hawker Living Romford Father William HEDGES Occupation Labourer.
Married Rosanna Swan aged 40 Widow Living Romford Father John DAWES occupation Labourer.

I believe this IS a late marriage for Job snr. and it gives me his father William HEDGES which is great but I still have no official connection to show James William and Job as brothers. Surly they must be.
Would you say the Information I have for them being together for the Baptism of their sons in Hunton Kent was enough to show they were brothers.
I can find no early Census showing a William Hedges with three sons James William and Job in any area where the three were born.
If I can connect the three men then I have proof that Job's father William on the marriage cert. is in fact also father to William and James.
I hope you can follow this.
Thank you for the reply and your efforts to help with this puzzle I fear It's a puzzle I will never solve.

Jenny
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 October 08 23:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Jenny

never give up ...I have travellers/gypsies in my family ...thank goodness they have be enumerated at all ...they are so elusive.

what stand out to me is that Job Hedges married Rosa who was born in Sussex ...their 'last child ' jeremiah was born Sussex  whereas all the other kids b Kent.  My first thought was that Job was also married prior ...late here ...will look further torrow

deb
added ... we need to find them with a niece or nephew  ...eeekkkk   no sign of them in 1841 YET LOL
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 October 08 19:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your efforts it is much appreciated. I will try to stay positive although it is getting very hard. I have been searching for quite some time now.

I do have Job's son Job jnr. living in his own Wagon with his suspected Uncle James in his, on the 1871 Census for Romford, but no mention of them being related.
I feel it is important if I can to make a connection between William and Job as brothers as William is my line and Job is the one person I have a fathers name for. But am happy to find any thing on them at this stage.

The whole family have managed to avoid the early Census returns. I can only find Job on the 1851 but none of the others. I haven't found any of them on the 1841. They are elusive little monkeys.
Jenny
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire

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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 October 08 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jenny

Doing a little bit of hunting to get my daily fix  ;D

have you seen this ...rather co-incidental , I think but rather strange

in 1871
we have Job Hedges s/o Job and  Rosa with 'uncle' James and family in Romford Kent. Job jnr is with wife Phoebe and children Caroline 3 and Nancy 1
but there is this too
In 1871
Job Hedges 30 b not known hawker (transcribed as Hedger)
Phoebe 30
Caroline 3 b Romford
Nancy 6 months "
staying at Gallows Green, caravans and tents, Brentwood Essex

deb ...still looking :)
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 October 08 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Jenny

I am all over the place but hoping that we may come across  William, James and Job's children with their families and a connection somehow ...we just need one census to hopefully say cousin of or nephew/niece of etc ....

1881we have in Chatham
Sampson Hedges head mar 41 family of tramps  :-\ :-X :( b kent Gillingham
Bridget wife 31 b Limmerick Ireland
Sampson son 8 b Chatham
Samuel Watson boarder unm 16 hawker b kent lewis

could this Sampson be s/o William and Fanny? 

sometimes it's a long haul to find the connection  :-\  Hopefully we will find it !


deb :)

added trying to find samuel Watson in 1871 ...
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 October 08 21:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jenny

Doing a little bit of hunting to get my daily fix  ;D

have you seen this ...rather co-incidental , I think but rather strange

in 1871
we have Job Hedges s/o Job and  Rosa with 'uncle' James and family in Romford Kent. Job jnr is with wife Phoebe and children Caroline 3 and Nancy 1
but there is this too
In 1871
Job Hedges 30 b not known hawker (transcribed as Hedger)
Phoebe 30
Caroline 3 b Romford
Nancy 6 months "
staying at Gallows Green, caravans and tents, Brentwood Essex

deb ...still looking :)

Hi Deb I have the first 1871 with Job Hedges s/o Job and  Rosa with 'uncle' James and family in Romford Kent.
But have never seen the second
In 1871
Job Hedges 30 b not known hawker (transcribed as Hedger)
Phoebe 30
Caroline 3 b Romford
Nancy 6 months "
staying at Gallows Green, caravans and tents, Brentwood Essex
this one I would be interested in getting a full copy of where did you find it.
Jenny
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire

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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 October 08 21:23 GMT (UK) »

1881we have in Chatham
Sampson Hedges head mar 41 family of tramps  :-\ :-X :( b Kent Gillingham
Bridget wife 31 b Limmerick Ireland
Sampson son 8 b Chatham
Samuel Watson boarder unm 16 hawker b kent lewis

Yes this is Williams son. I have this too. Not a pleasant Enumerator who described them as Family of Tramps.
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire