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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #18 on: Monday 27 October 08 15:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jeeny

Imagine losing 2 within 6+ months  :-\ :'(

I wonder if we can find some more baptisms of the 'brother's' children all together as you did with the baptisms in Hunton.

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #19 on: Monday 27 October 08 15:12 GMT (UK) »
This is amazing ...

Could it be possible that there are two Jobs with same wife and children's names in same area at the same time .... :o :o

In 1851 we have this;
I see Job Hedges in 1851 transcribed as HODGES
Caravans
Long Lane Bexley

Job Hodges head mar residing in traveller's caravan/hawker b Berks Windsor
Rosa wife 32 b Sussex
William son 13 b Tonbridge wells Kent
Harriet 11 unemployed b kent Barning?
Job son 8 b Kent Braidhurst ....bc 1843
James son 6 b Kent Cliffe
Jeremiah son 2 b Sussex

he def. fits with the Job in 1871 with 'uncle' James
Job Hedges age 27 Licensed Hawker  Born Breadhurst Kent

so who is Job bc 1841 , POB Unknown? could he be the same guy or a relative ...

will look in 1861 ...although without POB who knowa what we will find ?

deb  :-\


I don't think it likely that we have 2 Job's with the same wife and children as when doing my research Job alone seems to be an unusual name in the South East of England.
More likely I think that we have some one who knew Job and Phoebe and didn't want the authorities knowing their real names so borrowed Job and Phoebe's family details, however they may not have known such personal details as where they were born. Job was born in Breadhurst, Kent. So I suspect that the Census with no known birthplaces is not the real Job and Phoebe. Just someone posing as them.
Another possibility could be that they were listed as being presant by someone else as they were due to arrive by the night of the census but hadn't at that point and as such got listed twice. Long shot I know.
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire

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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #20 on: Monday 27 October 08 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jeeny

Imagine losing 2 within 6+ months  :-\ :'(

I wonder if we can find some more baptisms of the 'brother's' children all together as you did with the baptisms in Hunton.

deb

To save covering ground  I have already done I can list those Christenings that I already have. It will take me a little while to post them. I will get started listing them Give me a little while.
PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #21 on: Monday 27 October 08 15:37 GMT (UK) »
It's so hard to connect them as there is no IGI christenings at all for them ...I even tried under Hedger .... It does seem like a good possibility that they are brothers ....but  we need proof ...just a little teeny tiny bit would be nice LOL ..

have you seen this marriage on Pallots;


Job Hedges (b) = Margt Curtis (s)
1790 Deptford Kent 

I wonder if they are related in any way

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #22 on: Monday 27 October 08 15:57 GMT (UK) »
OK Iwill list the Christenings I have. For the children I don't have a christening for I will put Approx date of birth and place according to Census returns.

Children of James Hedges

Esther Christened 14 June 1835 Dartford Kent
Sophia Christening Not Known  born 1839 plumbsted Kent
Selina Christened 12 July 1840 Lidsing Kent
Golias Christening Not Known  Born 1942 Aylesford kent
Elijah Christening Not Known  born 1845 Cliffe Kent
*Alfred christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent
Olive Christening Not Known  born 1851 Cliffe Kent

Children of William Hedges (My Line)

William Christening Not Known  born 1832 Town Malling or Wateringbury Kent (My Line)
Sampson Christening Not Known  born 1839 Gillingham Kent
Joseph Christened 9 April 1843 Halling Kent
Alfred Christening Not Known   born 1845 Borstal Rochester Kent
*John Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent.

Children of Job Hedges

William Christening Not Known  born 1838 Tonbridge Wells Kent
Harriet Christened 27 Sept 1840 Yalding Kent
Job Christening Not Known  born 1843 Breadhurst Kent.
James Christened 11 May 1845 Hoo Kent
*Jeremiah Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent

Thats all the children I have for the 3 suspected brothers.

PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire

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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #23 on: Monday 27 October 08 16:01 GMT (UK) »
It's so hard to connect them as there is no IGI christenings at all for them ...I even tried under Hedger .... It does seem like a good possibility that they are brothers ....but  we need proof ...just a little teeny tiny bit would be nice LOL ..

have you seen this marriage on Pallots;


Job Hedges (b) = Margt Curtis (s)
1790 Deptford Kent 

I wonder if they are related in any way

deb

No I hadn't Seen that. Makes me wonder If Job's father William could have had a brother Job date would be about right for that. definately worth hanging on to that one.
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PRINGLE.  Middlesex, London
WELLS. Norwich, Norfolk
HEDGES. Kent, Essex and Sussex
EATON. Staffordshire

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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #24 on: Monday 27 October 08 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for posting the christenings ...

Just wanted to let you know that on the 1871 census where Job jnr is with uncle James ....that uncle James and Eliza have 2 more children...

Henry son16 b Essex Molton bc 1855
Rosa dau 14 b Rochford Essex bc 1857


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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #25 on: Monday 27 October 08 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Yes Got most of that. the census returns I have are as follows.

1851 Job Hedges Listed as  Job Hodges in Bexley Heath, long Lane
1881 Job Hedges Listed as John Hedges in West Ham Essex Chapple Cottage
1861 William Hedges Chatham, Upper St.
1871 William Hedges Chatham, Jenkins Dale
1871 James Hedges Romford, Moss St,


ooo I have found James and Eliza in 1861
Elsenham
List of persons not in houses
caravan
James Hedger mar 45 Mat maker b Plumbstead
Eliza wife 45 hawker Middlesex Islington
Selina 21 b Kent Budyar ?
Elias son 18 ..could he be Golias?  hawker b Eltham/Elsenham? Kent
Elijah son 16 hawker b Stroud Kent
Alfred son 14 b Hoo Kent
Oliph dau 10 .... Olive maybe LOL ...b Chalk Kent
Henry 5 b Essex Moreton
Rosa 3 b Essex Chelmsford

Just looking at who were the other peeps in tents/caravans around them I spotted this family because of wife's POB

next 'door' to the Hedges
John ARNOLD head mar 22 mat maker b Chiselhurst
Maria Sophia wife 22 hawker b PLUMSTEAD KENT
James 2 Kent ?
John 1 Stroud

taking a chance I looked at marriages  and guess what ...wooooohoooooo

Mary Sophia Hedges   = John Arnold
Mar q 1858 
 Romford   Essex 
Vol 4a p 73 

I wonder if she is another daughter bc 1839

deb :)


Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers
« Reply #26 on: Monday 27 October 08 17:28 GMT (UK) »
errrr after all that excitement I have realised that Maria/Mary Sophia must be the Sophia you already have...

Children of James Hedges

Esther Christened 14 June 1835 Dartford Kent
Sophia Christening Not Known  born 1839 plumbsted Kent
Selina Christened 12 July 1840 Lidsing Kent
Golias Christening Not Known  Born 1942 Aylesford kent
Elijah Christening Not Known  born 1845 Cliffe Kent
*Alfred christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent
Olive Christening Not Known  born 1851 Cliffe Kent

but at least we know that she may have been christened as Maria/Mary Sophia and not just Sophia.

deb

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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