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« Reply #36 on: Monday 24 November 08 17:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi

We might have to wait to find out until Anthony gets a copy of the birth cert

Wouldn't be the first time an older woman has "reduced" her age when marrying a younger man

Regardless of her relationship to Walter - she was at least 60yrs old in 1901 - not 50.  Be sure her sins will find her out!!
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« Reply #37 on: Monday 24 November 08 18:01 GMT (UK) »
there is a possible for Eliza who married Matt cooper

1851
Jubilee Court
Turks row
chelsea
James Spicer Head m 29 lab
Hannah wife 23
george son 3
Eliza daughter 1
all b chelsea
HO107 1472 453 26

and possiblity for her father in 1841
Chhelsea
francis Spicer 71 Lab F?
Margaret 55 I
James 20 lab yes
Patrick Dalton 41 lab I
HO107 688 14 12 19 32 7

looking at the 1861 Walter with Gran- the daughter we think is Eliza could possibly be Elinor -image not too clear????

Anthony is ordering the birth cert -so we'll find out in due course

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« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 11:08 GMT (UK) »
Certificates ordered by Anthony have arrived

Birth cert
Reginald Vernon Kent
2 Jan 1886
57 Bridlington St USD Radford
father Walter John Kent occ Pianoforte Tuner
mother Fanny Caroline nee Stockwell
residence Bridlington St Hyson Green Notts

Marriage cert (Walters 1st marriage)
14 aug 1882
Walter John Kent 22 B Pianoforte Tuner St Luke Chelsea
father John Kent Gentleman (deceased)
Fanny Carline Stockwell 19 S St Luke Chelsea
father henry? Harry? or harvy? Stockwell Occ Mechanic
Witnesses F? Belchamber, Henry Stockwell, Loisa Liddiard

Walter's birth cert
Walter John Kent (Spicer)
15 jan 1860
5 new St Brompton
mother Ellen Spicer 5 new St Brompton
no father listed

I have found (what looks like) Fanny caroline Stockwells family -and will post details shortly -after I have done a "recap"

Please join in the hunt


Suz
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« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Walter John Kent b 15 jan 1860 Brompton S Kensington
Mother Ellen Spicer
1st marriage to Fanny caroline Stockwell -Walter's father named as John Kent gentleman deceased
2nd marriage to Laura Elizabeth Holmes Walters father named as Walter John Kent -gentleman deceased.

1861 Walter Kent age 1 is with his grandmother Elinor Spicer (looks like Spiers) , his mother Ellen(22) , and aunts Eliza 21 and Sarah 19

1871 Where was Walter, gran , mother and Aunts??????

1881shows Sisters Elizabeth Morgan (U) 33 and Amelia U 32
with them are : Eliza (Spiers?) Spicer U 33, visitng is matthew Cooper U 20 Pianoforte tuner and Walter J Kent U 21 described as nephew.
Is walter the nephew of Eliza Spicer and not the morgan ladies?????

Matthew Cooper and Walter john Kent became partners in Cooper and kent music shops in Nottingham and mansfield.

Matthew Cooper married Eliza Spicer - who was older than him -Eliza is not at home in 1891 - wonder if this Eliza is Walter's aunt? -and told porkies about her age????? It doesn't look like matthew and Eliza had any children

Where was Eliza Cooper (neeSpicer) in 1891 ????

It seems Walter's name was accepted as kent ?

Anyone any ideas about his father????
Any idea for bastardy records???

I'll post the Stckwell information

Hopefully others will join in the hunt.

Suz

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« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 11:55 GMT (UK) »
This looks like fanny caroline Stockwells family -father Henry was described as "mechanic" on marriage cert  but is a lamp maker on censs - could be Fanny wanted his occupation to sound "more important" on marriage cert???

1841
Goodmans Green Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Brass finisher 30
Henry 4
William 2
Frances 30
Frances 1
all b in county
HO107 738 15 14 21 24

1851 (henry remarried??)
Durham Terrace Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Head 39 brass finisher St Luke Old
Mary Ann wife 43 Pentonville
Henry son 14 Tin plate worker Soho
William son 12 errand boy
Maria daughter 7 scholar Wst St Johns
Jane daughter 5 Wst st Johns
Harriet daughter 2 Chelsea
Henry father W 60 Brush maker City of London
HO107 1472 311 41

1861
Cav terrace Chelsea
Henry Stockell Head M 24 Tin plate worker mddsx
Fanny wife 4 Dressmaker Kensington
Henry son 2 Chelsea
Arthur C 5mth Chelsea
RG9 31 133 39

1871
5 caversham St Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Head M 34 lamp maker Soho
Fanny wife 34 Kensington
Henry W son 12
Arthur c son 10
FANNY C daughter 8
Nellie J daugter 6
Lizzie daughter 4
Katherine daughter 1
Julia Constable Lodger 4(?) Blackheath kent
all children b Chelsea
RG10 76 37 10

Possible marriage reg
Dec qtr 1857 chelsea
Henry Stockwell
Fanny Tomey

1881
5 caversham St Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Head M tin plate worker Soho
Fanny wife 44 Needlewoman Chelsea
Arthur Chas son 20 Tin plate worker
FANNY CAROLINE daughter 18 shopwomn
Nellie jane daughter 16 dressmaker
Lizzie maria daughter 14 scholar
Catherine Emma daughter 11 scholar
Edith mary Ann daughter 9
Frank Herbert son 8
Ralph Ernest son 6
Phillip Walter son 4
all children b Chelsea
RG11 78 24 50

1891
5 caversham St
Chelsea
Fanny stockwell Head W 54 needlewoman Kensington
Lizzie daughter 24 dressmaker
Catherine daughter 21 school teacher
Frank son 18 tin plate worker
Ralph son 16 office boy
all children b Chelsea
RG12 63 154 14

Death reg
Fanny Stockwell
Sept qtr 1899
age 63
Kingston
2a 260

Possiblty witness henry Stockwell at marriage of Fanny Caroline to Walter John Kent was Fanny's brother?

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« Reply #41 on: Sunday 02 August 09 21:54 BST (UK) »
Hi crankyvet                                                                                                                                            I  have some information on the Kent family my Dad (Walter Frederick) he was known as Derek was the younger brother of Reginald ,Sydney and EdnaMary.   My Mum Audrey contracted TB when I was born and I was sent to Mansfield to live with my Grandparents  Walter and Laurafor the first five years of my life (unfortunately my Mum died when I was three)  I know little about Reginald,  but I knew Uncle Syd and Aunty Isa, they lived in Cuffley, Herts.  Aunty Mary married U.Bill and they lived in S Africa (I lived out in S Africa for two and a half years around 1953 with A Mary) Dad was posted to Egypt. I have information about A. Marys family and I have three brothers and a sister  if you want any more information please get in touch.  (I also have some old family photos)   
What is your connection with the Kents?

Dawn Knight  (was Kent)

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« Reply #42 on: Monday 03 August 09 00:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Dawn,

Welcome to RootsCHat

Am sure Crankyvet will be pleased to hear from you - may take a while as he was making a long slow recovery from surgery and has had to put things on hold for a few months

Please hang on in there - and is there anything we can help you with while you wait ??

Suz
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« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 17:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Dawn,

Have contacted crankyvet - he is recovering and has tried to contact you - but he has sent you a PM - unfortunatly you cannot use this facility until you have made 3 posts - so you will not have received the message.

I have sent him a link to try and answer on the board -but don't know if he has managed to do that . He is keen to contact you

If you would like to make 2 more posts - then he can PM you -  just say OK -or whatever you like  or request any look ups you may be requiring

Regards

Suz
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« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 21:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Suz
I am looking forward to find our how crazyvet is related to me.  If he comes from  OZ my three brothers and my sister live out there.  Also my eldest son lives in Sydney so we go out there about once a year.   One of my brothers has loads of family photos on facebook. there is one of Granddad Walter Grandma Laura plus  Reg, Syd Mary and Derek (my dad)
How exciting is this!!!!
Dawn