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FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« on: Wednesday 05 November 08 09:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'm trying to find details for a Francis Garratt born around 1846 Belper (possibly Shottle) Derbyshire.

I have details for him that say he was a police officer when he was married to his first wife called Sarah (I think the details are recorded at New Brampton for a baptism to his son). 

On the Heage marriages where he married Anne Smith in 1877 he is also recorded as being a police constable.

It is confusing as in the census returns he is noted as being a labourer and I cannot see anything for him being associated with the police.

Is there anyway I can find out his profession?  Or is there a site for police of derbyshire in the 1800's?

Any advice is much appreciated

Thank you   :)

Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....

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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

It is possible that your relative was a labourer before he was a Police Constable.

Several of my relations were labourers in Norfolk before joining the Police Service in Northumberland. I got details of their police service from the Northumberland and some from the Newcastle Archives who had their actual police records.

Irene
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Robson - Northumberland/Durham
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Vass- Inverness/ Newcastle/ Durham
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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 13:42 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the information Irene  :)

I will check the census again and see what it said he was in the later census. 

Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....

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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 21:43 BST (UK) »
Hi

Francis Garratt's Derbyshire Police record is held in the Force Descriptive Register Ref D3376 OS 1/1 1857 - 1880 page 46. This register will have brief details of where he was from, if married, no. of children and previous occupation.

He first joined the force aged 25yrs 14/11/1871 but left to 'better himself' 31/02/1872.

He re-jopined the force 10/02/1874 but I'm sorry to say he was ordered to resign for being 'useless' 14/09/1877.

I hope this has been of help in your research. I do not have any other record of a Francis being in the County Police.

Cheers. Mike
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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 July 09 22:18 BST (UK) »
Hello Mike,

Wow thank you so much for replying with the information that you had found.  I had completely forgotton about this post, and had even come to the conclusion that Francis Garratt may never have been in the police, so to actually receive a reply is wonderful. 

It is great to know that he was in the police and the story has a funny ending to know that he was ordered to resign because he was useless.  This slots in perfect and I now know why he ended up being a labourer second rather than vice versa.

How do I get to see the record, I know you mention the Force Descriptive Register, it would be interesting to take a look at. 

Thank you once again for your time and in helping me figure out Francis Garratt's occupation.

Much appreciated   :)

Heidi
Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....

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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 April 21 08:01 BST (UK) »

Hi there

It is possible that your relative was a labourer before he was a Police Constable.

Several of my relations were labourers in Norfolk before joining the Police Service in Northumberland. I got details of their police service from the Northumberland and some from the Newcastle Archives who had their actual police records.

Irene
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Hi There,

I know this was posted  a long time ago but I have an ancestor born in Norfolk who joined the Police Service in Newcastle Upon Tyne in the 1870's.  I wondered if there was a recruitment drive. I contacted the archives but they couldn't help. Was it the Northumberland Police service you wrote to?

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Ferguson: Fife
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Philipson, Kellet, Peet, Storrow, Leck, Gifford Willan, Dover Dowker, Casson Benson, Verty: Westmorland & Cumberland & Lancashire
Ludford, Allen, lockwood: Leicestershire & Warwickshire
Trotter, Collier, Pollard, Cresswell: Northumberland

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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 April 21 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I found Francis Garratt in the 1871 census and he was an agricultural labourer.  In 1881 he was also a labourer.  Those in between years he was on and off as a police constable. 

I didn’t manage to see the Force Descriptive Register as I wasn’t sure how to get in touch with them but the information from Mike was amazing and a great help.

Maybe there was a recruitment drive in the 1870’s, I wonder how we’d find out?

I’m not sure if it’s the Northumberland Police service that you need to get in touch with.  Hopefully someone might be able to help on here :) (fingers crossed)
Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....

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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 April 21 14:49 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Maybe there was a recruitment drive in the 1870’s, I wonder how we’d find out?

I’m not sure if it’s the Northumberland Police service that you need to get in touch with.  Hopefully someone might be able to help on here :) (fingers crossed)

Thanks for your reply. I always wondered why at the age of 18 or 19 and alone 2x great grandfather(a farm labourer) moved  from Norfolk to Northumberland. I assumed it had to be something particular as he could more easily gone to a nearer city.
Perhaps as you say someone on here knows something.

Regards

B
Reid, Munro, kempster: Edinburgh
Sutherland, Gunn: Caithness
Ferguson: Fife
McIntyre: Liverpool
Key: Newcastle On Tyne/ Norfolk
Lake, Brinded, Wymer, Briggs: Norfolk
Philipson, Kellet, Peet, Storrow, Leck, Gifford Willan, Dover Dowker, Casson Benson, Verty: Westmorland & Cumberland & Lancashire
Ludford, Allen, lockwood: Leicestershire & Warwickshire
Trotter, Collier, Pollard, Cresswell: Northumberland

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Re: FRANCIS GARRATT - police constable or labourer?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 April 21 20:43 BST (UK) »
It is definitely quite a distance to travel especially way back then. 

Hopefully someone can help :)
Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....