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Please can anyone help?   My grannies name is: Esther Christina Spencer she was born 7th June 1888  her husband was William Spooner.

My grannies parents were Spanish and Italian but I have no names for them, all I no is that her father was a Travelling Spanish Gypsy.

Please can anyone help?  Thank you  :)

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 November 08 18:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi There Lizzyann

The first thing I would do is get the marriage record for Christina as it will have her father's name listed.  Was Christina born in England. If so, I would also get her birth certificate as it would have both father and mothers name listed along with  mothers maiden name.

Hope this is of some help.

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Re: SPENCER/NOSEDA/PARADICE
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 November 08 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much, do you no whre I can get the birth certificate, and how much it would be Thank you once again Lizzyann


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 18:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I wonder if this is her birth registration with the surname mistranscribed;

Esther Christina Spender  :-\
sept q  1888  
 Wandsworth, Greater London, London, Surrey 
Vol 1d page 545

umm this tallies

marriage;
Esther Christina Spender = William Henry Spooner
sept q 1908 
 Lambeth  Greater London, London, Surrey 
Vol 1d  pg 650

seems that her surname was SpenDer

deb :)

will look further


Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 18:28 GMT (UK) »

 Hi and welcome to Rootschat :)

 Could this be your family, name spelt Spender ???

   1891   RG12 / 427 / 16 / 26

Frederick Spender, head, widower, age 38, naturalized british subject Haine, occ gen lab
Samuel, son, age 17, b Lambeth, Surrey, occ engine cleaner
Alfred, son, age 12, b Lambeth
Annie,dau,age 15, b Lambeth
Frank, son, age 8, b Battersea
Sarah, dau, age 6, b Battersea
Charles, son, age 4, b Battersea
Ester, dau, age 2 b Battersea

Address 23 Sterndale Road, Battersea

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 18:36 GMT (UK) »
there is this interesting family in 1901

1901
Lambeth London
Frederick Spender head mar 47 smith & fitter b SPAIN (natural gr British subject ..maybe naturalised?)
Elizabeth wife 27 b London, lambeth
Charles son 14 port errand boy b Battersea
Esther E dau 12 b battersea  wrong middle initial  :-\ I can't find a birth for an Esther E in 1888/9
Mabel dau 10 months b Clapham

in 1891
they are mistranscribed as SPONDER
Battersea
Frederick Spender head widr gen lab 38 b naturalised British Subject
Samuel son 17 b Lambeth
Alfred son 12         "
Annie dau 15        "
Frank son 8 b Battersea
Sarah dau 6      "
Charles son 4  "
ESTHER dau 2    "

Only order her birth cert and/or her marriage cert would confirm parents names.

deb :)

hi Sue :) just seen your post ...SNAP!!! ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 18:43 GMT (UK) »
umm in prior censues he's not from Spain ??

do you see him Sue?

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 18:49 GMT (UK) »
Births

George W Spooner
Dec q 1911 
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender 
Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex 
Vol 1b  p 515

Lawrence H A Spooner
june q  1916 
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender 
Holborn  London, Middlesex 
Vol1b  p 990

Mabel E Spooner
june q  1913 
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender 
Lambeth   Greater London, London, Surrey 
Vol 1d  p 496

can't find any Spooner children with mother's maiden name SPENCER.

deb :)

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 18:57 GMT (UK) »

 Deb... What about this one in 1881?   What do you think/

    RG11 / 606 / 105 / 39

 Lizzyanne its free to view 1881 ;D ;D

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 Added...... You must have seen this already Deb :)
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