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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi! There Deb,  yes I'm pretty sure her name was Spender as well
it's definately Lambeth London Thanks. Lizzy

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi sue

yes I did see it ...everything adds up except Fred's POB ...with him stating Paddington in 1881 you can trace him back to 1861 with his parents, neither of whom are foreigners. I wonder if he was born Spain but his parents registered him in London.

I am not sure how these things worked then ...but if he was born to British parents why would he have to be naturalised ?? Doesn't make sense.

deb

hi Lizzie ...welcome :) Hope you have fun here! Do you have any other info for us? Deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi! all and thanks for helping my dad was Laurance Henry Spooner

My grannie is my dad's mum I definately sure her name is Spender not Spencer, my mum think she might have been adopted at one stage but my grannie allways said her parents were spanish and Italian.   

But they do come from Greater Lambeth London, Sue might have the right family.   Lambeth and Battersea rings a bell.


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Also my grannies dad was born in Spain and came back to this Country,  my mum sais he was a Steeple Jack but had a bad accident and had to be trained for something else, hope this all helps..

Thanks once again for helping everyone
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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Hope this one helps my 4th generation cousin sent this to me:

William Henry Spooner married Esther Christina Spender

1908 3rd quarter Lambeth 1d650   what ever that means.

Lizzyann

OH! Also I think my father had a brother as well who died very young.   But don't no any names.  My father's sisters' were Mable, Violet, Annie, Winnie, and of course my dad Laurance.

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi

okay in 1881 Fred is married to Emily and has kids . Going by their eldeast son, Frederick being born in 1870 Chelsea ...we find a Fredeick Spender b Trowbridge with wife Ann, b Chelsea and son frederick, in 1871.

so is Fred born Wiltshire/Paddington or Spain ?

is Emily and Ann one and the same person ??... both b Chelsea circa 1850/1


ooooooooooooooooooooo lOOK

MARRIAGE
Frederick Spender =  Emily Ann Noseda
SEPT Q 1870  
Chelsea, Greater London, London, Middlesex  
Vol 1a  P 383  

So she used both names  ;D ;D

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:30 GMT (UK) »
Yeah, having great fun on here,  it's so confusing though but great fun.

Lizzyann

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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Hope this one helps my 4th generation cousin sent this to me:

William Henry Spooner married Esther Christina Spender

1908 3rd quarter Lambeth 1d650   what ever that means.

Lizzyann

OH! Also I think my father had a brother as well who died very young.   But don't no any names.  My father's sisters' were Mable, Violet, Annie, Winnie, and of course my dad Laurance.

hi Lizzie ... that is their marriage details ...
marriage;
Esther Christina Spender = William Henry Spooner
sept q 1908  
 Lambeth  Greater London, London, Surrey  
Vol 1d  pg 650

they married in the sept quater of 1908 ...the vol and page number is what you used to order the certificate which would give you all details including their father's names and occupations

deb :)

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: Spencer (Spanish Gypsy's)
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 11 November 08 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Births

George W Spooner
Dec q 1911 
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender 
Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex 
Vol 1b  p 515


Lawrence H A Spooner
june q  1916 
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender 
Holborn  London, Middlesex 
Vol1b  p 990

Mabel E Spooner
june q  1913 
Mother's Maiden Name: Spender 
Lambeth   Greater London, London, Surrey 
Vol 1d  p 496


it seems that George may be the brother who died young;

death
George W Spooner
b abt 1812
diedmar q 1812  George W Spooner
Paddington  London, Middlesex
Vol 1a p 10
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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