Jane QUINN, possibly of Beleek

[aghadowey]

I note your comment " Patrick Quinn wasn't listed as officially in the police.  ", but does that cover the English, Northern Irish AND Eireann police forces?  Beleek is right on the border so there's every possibility they originated in Eire.

There was no Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland in Patrick Quinn's time- all Ireland was part of the U.K. It was the custom for policemen not to be posted in the county of their birth and if married/upon marriage not to be posted in the county where their wife was born. So, if Jane Quinn was born in Fermanagh it's likely that both her parents were born, and possibly married, elsewhere.

[nigelo]

There was no Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland in Patrick Quinn's time- all Ireland was part of the U.K. It was the custom for policemen not to be posted in the county of their birth and if married/upon marriage not to be posted in the county where their wife was born. So, if Jane Quinn was born in Fermanagh it's likely that both her parents were born, and possibly married, elsewhere.

Thanks. That's useful background I wasn't ware of.

[aghadowey]

There's lots of information online if you google 'history of ric in ireland', etc.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-irish-constabulary/

Not sure what the comment "Patrick Quinn wasn't listed as officially in the police" means but hopefully Debbie will expand on that.

[Debbie Roberts]

Hi Nigel

I realise Susan was born to jane and Charles in 1865 prior to their wedding in 1866.  I thought on the 1861 it says Charles and Elizabeth, with their 3 children aged 4 and 2 years and 1 month.  Also funny that Charles and Jane didn't marry til 1866 - maybe he was still legally married to Elizabeth in 1865 but she died the following year enabling him to marry Jane - who knows.

[nigelo]

I thought on the 1861 it says Charles and Elizabeth, with their 3 children aged 4 and 2 years and 1 month.

No, not unless you are looking at a different census page to me. Just Charles and Elizabeth, living in High Street, Tonbridge. They do have a lodger (my assumption - actual relationship not recorded) "William Thomas, unmarried, 46yrs, Labourer, born Croydon".
If you do have a different census page let me know. We should sort out the correct one.

[Debbie Roberts]

Morning Nigel - it was from something I saw at the weekend which I thought said Charles and Elizabeth were living in st Giles, Westminster with their 3 children - I'll try and find it but I must have got it wrong if they were in tonbridge high street.

[Debbie Roberts]

Had Nigel. This girl is what I had seen in your notes:

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Find marriage registration

by: Nigel Osborne
Note: 22/1/2007 - Looked at 1856 St Giles 1b/397 Charles Smithem & Elizabeth May. Then found them (plus children aged 4,2,& 1mth) on 1861 census at St Martins in the Fields, Westminster.

[Debbie Roberts]

Sorry predictive text gone a bit strange at the moment. 

Re Patrick Quinn not being officially in the police I remember talking to someone in Belfast years ago who looked him up in belleek area but there was no trace.  I may have who it was on my family tree maker notes but my PC takes so long to boot up I don't use it any more - I must invest in a new one some time!  He thought maybe he was a private detective . . .

[aghadowey]

It's quite possible that even if Jane was born in Belleek that her father Patrick Quinn wasn't in the police there but elsewhere.