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Transription problem on service record + some questions
« on: Monday 17 November 08 14:38 GMT (UK) »
I've taken advantage of the free access on Ancestry for WW1 records and discovered that my grandfather signed up  and served.  A previously unknown fact, even to my late father.

The problem is that I can't make out the Battalion or Regiment description from the handwriting.

On Ancestry he is Frank Challis, aged 17, born abt 1899, residence Sourton Combs (actual Sawston, CAM).

The 3rd page of 6 gives his 'Statement of the Services' and it looks to me like :
General Service, Attested, Pter, 24-9-16
General Service, To Army Reserve, Pter, 25-9-16
Mobilized, Pter, 19-2-17
Farming Res (?) 21 Btn, Posted, 19-2-17
Infantry Res, 241st Btn, Posted, Pter, 21-7-17
Discharged, P/E, 23.1.18
Stamped is 'No longer physically fit for War Service.
Is it Farming reserve ?  Who were the 241st Btn ?

Page 4 appears to have '241 Infantry Bn Regiment' with Rank/Regiment number of Pte 13/80234.
Most of the other records I have viewed seem to have a much shorter number.  Is his long number unusual ?

Page 5 relates to his Pension following his discharge.  Next to Weekly Pension is written what appears to be '£25 Gratuity (1) RW 1917'. 
Why the 1917 reference if his was discharged in Jan 1918 ?  What does the Gratuity relate to ?

The only thing my father ever said about his dad and his involvement in the war was that he worked for the Ministry of Food and Fisheries.  It's been a huge suprise to turn up this record, but now I'm sad that I don't know enough to understand it.

It would mean a lot if someone could help me.
Kind regards
CAM : CHALLIS- Sawston/Stapleford, HOWE, NUNN - Whittlesford, FREESTONE

OXF - BREAKSPEAR- South Leigh, EVANS - Eynsham, HATHAWAY - Eynsham, HARPER/HARPUR - Eynsham, PHIPPS- South Leigh-Eynsham-Cogges,RICHAW - South Leigh, SMITH - Eynsham, WILLETT - Cogges

SFK - GODDEN

SRY - FREESTONE

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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 November 08 15:31 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid that the only wasy forward is if you could pse post a copy of the sheet...

Transcription errors on Anpestry and bad handwriting do not help :o :o ;D

If we could see the original in situ I'm sure we could sort this all out for you! 8)
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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 November 08 16:43 GMT (UK) »
Does this help ?
Sorry, should have realised before. Apologies

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CAM : CHALLIS- Sawston/Stapleford, HOWE, NUNN - Whittlesford, FREESTONE

OXF - BREAKSPEAR- South Leigh, EVANS - Eynsham, HATHAWAY - Eynsham, HARPER/HARPUR - Eynsham, PHIPPS- South Leigh-Eynsham-Cogges,RICHAW - South Leigh, SMITH - Eynsham, WILLETT - Cogges

SFK - GODDEN

SRY - FREESTONE

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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 November 08 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Discharge/Pension Letter I referred to


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CAM : CHALLIS- Sawston/Stapleford, HOWE, NUNN - Whittlesford, FREESTONE

OXF - BREAKSPEAR- South Leigh, EVANS - Eynsham, HATHAWAY - Eynsham, HARPER/HARPUR - Eynsham, PHIPPS- South Leigh-Eynsham-Cogges,RICHAW - South Leigh, SMITH - Eynsham, WILLETT - Cogges

SFK - GODDEN

SRY - FREESTONE


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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 November 08 16:52 GMT (UK) »
http://www.1914-1918.net/rb.htm

If you scroll down on this link to 52nd Training Battalion you will see mention of 241st Batt
Theres also mention of 21st Batt in same part

So i dont think he went overseas.
A Rifle Brigade training unit.

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Fairburn(Hartshead)
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Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.

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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 November 08 17:04 GMT (UK) »
And I think your "Farming Reserve" is "Training Reserve"

The 1917 reference is for I reckon "Kings Regulations 1917". They are renewed eact year as part of the Army Act by Act of Parliament. So KR 1914, KR 1915 etc...Of course it is now QR 2008

Gratuity is in this case a one off payment for illness/disability....

This is why we needed to see the actual docs!! ;) ;) ;D
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        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 November 08 17:21 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both for taking the to clear a muddled brain.

Training makes far more sense than farming !

Is there anywhere I could go next to find out why he was discharged as unfit ?

I have a large photo we found in the attic which has my grandfather with a group of men with army officers at the centre.  Perhaps that ties in here ?
CAM : CHALLIS- Sawston/Stapleford, HOWE, NUNN - Whittlesford, FREESTONE

OXF - BREAKSPEAR- South Leigh, EVANS - Eynsham, HATHAWAY - Eynsham, HARPER/HARPUR - Eynsham, PHIPPS- South Leigh-Eynsham-Cogges,RICHAW - South Leigh, SMITH - Eynsham, WILLETT - Cogges

SFK - GODDEN

SRY - FREESTONE

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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 November 08 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Ooh lovely! We like pics!

Pse do post it on here!!

As for his illness...Is there a casualty sheet in with the paperwork??
One more charge and then be dumb,
            When the forts of Folly fall,
        May the victors when they come
            Find my body near the wall.

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Re: Transription problem on service record + some questions
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 November 08 23:17 GMT (UK) »
The Pter that you refer to means he was a Private in the Army.
Sedgwick- George, Thomas, Charles, Eddie, Harry
Wilcockson - Thomas, Joseph, Edward, William Henry
Ruge -Christian, Wilhelm, August, Waldemar. Christian was  from Germany(until 1850 then Sth Australia then NSW)