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Marguerite Ellis
« on: Thursday 04 December 08 14:12 GMT (UK) »
 :) :) :)Good day dublin
please bare with me i never spoken to ireland before
i live in Markfeild leicestershire england my mother had a relative who worked for some one from  ireland her name was Margurite ellis born about 1848 they came from there  and run an inn called the ship-inn farm Ellistown  she married some one called t.j .what i would like to know is if any one ther could find out for me were abouts in dublin her and her parents  came from please .my mothers relation was called Elizabeth cooper aged 18 and a Mary nicks aged 42 they were servants for them and both came from markfield leice england
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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 December 08 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Danone

I note that you are giving information from the ancestry.co.uk transcription of the 1881 Census of England. I am not sure that the transcription is correct - I read the husband's name as "J I Ellis", by comparing the husband's initials with "Ibstock" in the next household, and "Jemima" in the household after that.

And if you check the "Description of the Enumeration District", you will find that it refers to the "Slip in House" at Ellistown, not the "Ship Inn".

Ellis was Marguerite's married surname - the 1881 Census gives us no clue as to her maiden name, which is what we would need for a Dublin search.

You have done well to locate your relation Elizabeth Cooper working as a servant for the Ellises. But we need more info about Marguerite before we can start a Dublin search.

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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 December 08 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Danone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellistown

Shows that the Slip Inn was taken over by the Ellis family when they moved to the area and started their colliery.

(Note however that Joseph Joel Ellis appears to have died in 1885, not 1897 as stated in the Wiki article)

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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 14:34 GMT (UK) »
 :) :) :)Hi kintree
the name of Margurite ellis was T.j
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abt 1849
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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 December 08 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Danone

If you ever come to research this family seriously, I think you will tie yourself in knots!

Joseph JOEL (no Ellis) can be identified in the 1851 Census of England as a jeweller. His wife in 1851 is Margaret, born in Brazil. Eldest son Isidore is living with them, his birth is registered as Isidore Lewis JOEL (no Ellis) in Sep 1849.

Joseph JOEL in the 1861 Census is a banker. His wife is Marguerite, born in Brazils. Isidore is with them, and younger children Walter, Bessie, George, Frederick, Albert and Gertrude.

Joseph J ELLIS in the 1871 Census is a landowner. His wife is Marguerite J, born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Isidore is with them, and younger children Walter, Bessie, George, Albert, Gertrude and Perry. Perry's birth is registered in Dec 1867 as Percy Foxon C JOEL-ELLIS.

Joseph Joel Ellis in 1873 resigned from his appointment as Honorary Colonel of the 1st Tower Hamlets Artillery Volunteer Corps.

It seems that in the 1881 Census the individual in Ellistown must be Isidore - he can also be identified in the 1891 Census in the same house, but enumerated in Ibstock. In the 1891 Census Isidore's wife is identied as E, born in London.

So ?Isidore's ?wife Marguerite in 1881 born in Dublin still remains a mystery. I suspect the 1881 enumerator may have made a bit of a hash of this household - note that the household appears twice (once crossed through, both times transcribed by ancestry as TJ) in ancestry.co.uk, and that the wife's age and birthplace changes.

Good luck

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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #5 on: Monday 29 December 08 18:13 GMT (UK) »
 :) :) :)Hi kin tree
thanks for sending the information thats what i have from there about t.j on ancestry it does say son but it does say marguerite wife so may be you are right about the person being wrong.
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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #6 on: Monday 29 December 08 18:27 GMT (UK) »
 :) :) :)Hi kintree
the information also comes from the descendantsof charles cooper list that some one did for some time back . so there must be something in it
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Re: Marguerite Ellis
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 April 09 10:02 BST (UK) »
For your interest, here is further information, correcting and adding to the previous letters.
Joseph Frederick Joel was born in 1816, possibly in Bristol. His name was changed by deed poll to JOEL-ELLIS in 1863. He died in London in 1885 (see obituary in The Jewish Chronicle, 10th July 1885).
There WAS an Irish connection on that side of the family, as his parents were Pessa and Isaiah JOEL who started out in Bristol, immigrating from Krotoschin (now Posen) in Bohemia. they moved to Ireland. Joseph must have returned to London from there.
Isaiah died in Dublin in 1840. Joseph WAS a jeweller in London, based in 49 The Strand.  The name change was something to do with the colliery and a link subsequently to Ellis and Everard (bricks).  The Grange, Ellistown, was the family home, and the children were  Walter Lima, George, Montague, Chatham, Percy, Isidore Lewis, Evelyn (Eve) Gertrude, and Bessie.  And a still born son, buried in the Jewish section of the Brompton Cemetery in London.There were also London houses, the final one being in Portland Place. It's now the Chinese Embassy!  Joseph Frederick was indeed known within the family as "The Colonel" and seems to have also been Consul-General for Persia during the 1880s.
His wife was certainly Marguerite, maiden name NATHAN. When they married he was still at  the Strand, and  she was living in Artillery Lane in the East End. But she was born (1829) possibly in Brazil. Or could it have been Peru? The Latin American connection is verified by Walter's second name being LIMA. She died in Brighton in the Edwardian era.
I think there may also have been a link with one LEWIS JOEL, born in Dublin, in 1824 (d. London 1899) son of ISAAC JOEL,who himself was another son of Pessa and Isaiah.  There also seems to have been a sister called Sarah. Lewis was H.M. Consul General to Savannah, Georgia. Sarah also went to America and died in New York. The connection is partially confirmed by the Colonel's will, which left money to a  Lewis and a Sarah. They must have been siblings or cousins. And N.B. look at Isidore's second name (Lewis).
Anyone who can add anything to this - your contributions gratefully received. It's particularly the connection between Joseph and Lewis/Sarah that I would like to have confirmed.
So yes, there IS an Irish connection, as well as  links with London, Bristol, Latin America, and further back, with Central Europe at the time of the pogroms.
KiwiDi