Cumbers, Hedges, Yelding Families

[keithc54]

I am trying to research my family (Cumbers) but 2 generations married into Romany Gypsy families and I can find very little information in the BDRM websites. Does anybody have any ideas how I can find out the information I require.?
Also my greatgrandfather Alfred Cumbers and his wife Alvey (Hedges) are shown as living at The Old Rose and Crown Collier Row but I have not found any records of such a Pub. I am sure that it must have existed since it is shown on my father's birth cert. in 1919 and I also have an old an old photographic postcard from an "ever loving sister-in-law" to my granny at the address. I can only think that this sister-in-law is one one of my granddad's sisters either Eliza b. 1887, Olive b. 1891, Alice b. 1893 or Phyllis b.1897. Has anyone any information on these people or his brother Henry Cumbers b.1899

[lolmac3]

Hi Keith

Where do the yeldings come into it? I have a Joe Yelding in my family tree, he died in 1883 after a horse accident but he was a traveller so would like to find out more about him.

Lorraine

[williamscdr]

Keith

This link takes you to a 1919 directory:

http://historyofstratford.co.uk/Romford/1919/Romford-1919Directory-C.shtml

showing the Rose and Crown in Church Rd Romford with Alfred Cumbers so it definitely existed, I will keep looking.





David

[williamscdr]

This book might help as it charts the history of Collier Row from mid 1800s onwards with lots of photographs:

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0528/   

If you look at the picture on the book jacket and zoom in you can see a pub sign; it might be .....?

Old map of Collier Row:

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[williamscdr]

Interestingly there was a pub on Collier Row caled the Sun and then Rising Sun 1797-1895, I wonder if they changed the name?

http://londonpublichouse.com/essexpubs/CollierRow/sun.shtml

David

[williamscdr]

 No mention of the Rose and Crown in 1901 census nor the RisingSun, so it would seem that one closed and the other appeared not necessarily on the same site though.

[williamscdr]

ooh this might be of interest to you:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8e28f83b2de73d3905b493c323f1682d&topic=336043.from1228511372;topicseen

 

Ah I see you came on on the end of that post so know about it already.

 

[James R. Yeowell]

Keith, I posted this in the Hedges thread a while back but shall repost it here:

I've just found this and thought it was worth posting:

1881:

   Dwelling:   63 Stockwell Road
   Census Place:   Lambeth, Surrey, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341140     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 0609    Folio 47    Page 11
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
William A. DAVIS   M   35    M   Lewisham, Kent, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Baker & Confectioner
Charlotte DAVIS   M   27    F   Rye, Sussex, England
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Baker & Confectioner Wife
William E. DAVIS       2    M   Stockwell, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Son
Thomas CUMBERS   U   17    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Assistant
   Occ:   Assistant
Margaret LOWE   U   42    F   Walsall, Stafford, England
   Rel:   Lodger
   Occ:   Cook Domestic Servant


William A. Davis could be related to the the Davis' who married into the Hedges... but also note Thomas Cumbers.  Now datewise, he could be a brother of Alfred Cumbers.  His place of birth fits too.

There's also a William, Samuel and Elizabeth Cumbers in Surrey, all except Elizabeth, born Romford, who also could be siblings.

[deb usa]

Hi Keith and everyone

I am posting this info so that people do not repeat what has already been found. This was done on the Hedges thread . Hopefully it will make things easier to find more connections;


re Albey/alvey Cumbers nee Hedges

1891
Cheshunt, Hertford
Longfield Lane
Caravan
Alfred Cumbers head mar 31 hawker b essex Romford
ALBEY wife 26 b Kent dartford
Elizer son 6 Dartford
Eliza dau 3 b South End essex
/
Elias Hedges head 52 hawker b Dartford  ...Alvy/Alby's dad
Alice wife 50 b dartford .... so now bc 1841 ...Alvy/Alby's mum
Elizass son 22 hawker b dartford
Elijah son 20 hawker b dartford
Charlotte dau 18 hawker b dartford
Phoebe dau 16 b Romford essex
Eliza dau 13 b Romford

1901
Cheshunt, Hertford
Caravan Standhews Lane
Alfred Cumbers head mar 42 travelling hawker/employer b Romford
AUBREY (sic) wife 36 Dartford kent
Elias son 16 treavelling hawker b kent Teston?
Eliza dau 14 b Southend on Sea
Olive dau 10 b Herts, Flamstead End ...is this "Poor Olive'?
Alice dau  8         "           "   ...is this "poor Alice"?
Phillis dau 4        "            "
Henry son 2        "           "


There is a marriage on the IGI for Alfred CUMBERS to Albey HEDGES on 7 May 1883 at Woodford Essex.
It gives Alfred CUMBERS as born 17 Oct 1859 in Romford Essex



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Alvy/Alby Hedges with her family

1881
Caravan
Elias Hedges 37 mar licensed hawker b Aylesford Kent
Alice wife 35 b Kent St mary .... Alice Hedges nee Reynolds
Alvy/Alby 16 b Dartford Kent
sibs;
Olive 14  b Southfleet Kent ...this could be the Aileen you refered to
Elias 12 b Kirnson Kent
Elijah 10 b Erith Kent
Lottie 7 b Sussex Raleigh
Thomas 5 Kent Sittingbourne
Henry 4 b Essex Woodford
Phoebe 3 b Essex Weathersfield
Celia 11months b essex Romford

1871
Elias Hedges , 27 b Berks
Alice wife  22 b Kent
Elvy dau 6 b Dartford Kent,
Olive 4, Kent Southfleet
Elias 3 Kinson
Elijah 1 Erith

 
deb