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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #9 on: Monday 15 December 08 16:15 GMT (UK) »


You may also have seen this:

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?p=218288

with this :

http://pilot.familysearch.org/record...oYear=1940;p=1 shows a Charlotte Heise of Berlin, and an Emma Heise of Berlin both emigrating to New York (Ellis Island records), one 1913, the other Sept 1921. Could it be the same family? Did your relative hear from them about life out there, go off and join them?  Perhaps it might have been his intention to send for his English family when he'd got established, but things didn't go well

No record of Emma and Charlotte's birth on Free BMD

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #10 on: Monday 15 December 08 16:25 GMT (UK) »
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Chritening in Danzig in 1874 of a Gustav Paul Heise, is a possible I am by no means an expert on immigration would there be records?

 
Source:

C998461  1816 - 1836  0742675   Film  1180628   Film   
 C998461  1837 - 1875  0362949   Film  NONE

Will have to sign off now, my thoughts:

On his marriage certificate who was his father, where was he born?
Was he born Germany and emigrated to England? Records?
Did he emigrate again - due to WW1?
If he changed his name - due to WW1 - deed poll records?
Obit in Times Digital Archive or local NW news paper?

Got to go time to go home from work - ho ho ho

David

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #11 on: Monday 15 December 08 17:14 GMT (UK) »
You mentioned a child born in 1903 in your first post so it looks like the family may have arrived in England well before the start of World War I in 1914.
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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #12 on: Monday 15 December 08 17:54 GMT (UK) »
WOW Thanks everyone
Some of that has got my head spinning.
I don't know about Emma And Charlotte. They could be from the same family.
I have a copy of Gustav's marriage certificate his father is Julius Heise a Bandmaster (sounds Interesting).
1901 census living in Fulham.
Julius Heise  b 1832 Berlin German Subject
Bertha
Ernest and Ellen with daughter Florence aged 3
I have deduced that Florence was not Ernest' s daughter but Gustav and Sarah's I have a copy Birth certificate. She was born a few days after the wedding. She became my  Great Aunt.
Also 1901 census
Sarah Heise was living with Edith aged 1 at 244 Cornwell Rd, Kensington, Edith became my Grandmother.
1904  Gustav and Sarah are living 28 Clarence Rd Poulton cum Seacombe Birkenhead  where they have a son Julius Paul who died at 28 days of syphilis.
Ernest and Ellen were living in a nearby street.
HEISE ,Germany, London and Birkenhead.
HARTWELL. London. Arundel.
CAPSTICK, Westmorland and Liverpool
BUTLER Liverpool
CHARTERS,  Walton Liverpool
GORE,Sefton, Liverpool .
CRUICE Roscommon and Liverpool.
ROBINSON, Westmorland.
ATKINSON,Westmorland.
DACRE, Westmorland.
FORSHAW,Sefton,Liverpool

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 08:48 GMT (UK) »
Michael,

The IGI baptism record of Gustav Paul Heise (pronounced incidentally Gustaf Powel Hyz-uh) names his parents as

Julius Heinrich Heise and Wilhelmine Bertha nee Gollax

The surname Gollax appears to have been very unusual. I could only find one mention in a town formerly known as Landsberg an der Warthe = Gorzów Wielkopolski in modern western Poland.

This all ties in geographically with Julius being born in Berlin. The Berlin Address Book of 1835 records several Heise families.

Justin

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Hello Michael,

Have you tried searching for HEISE in the National Archives catalogue?

There is a file from 1933 regarding the re-admission to British nationality of Sarah Jane Heise of Birkenhead!!! Would make very interesting reading. It could mean that the yencountered problems during WWI if Gustav was not naturalized at the time.

Gustav's birth and baptism in Danzig (Gdansk) is also contained in the IGI on www.familysearch.org

It can be surprisingly difficult to research these 'recent' ancestors. My late father did not even know exactly when his grandfather had died.

You have a fascinating journey ahead of you.

Justin


HEISE ,Germany, London and Birkenhead.
HARTWELL. London. Arundel.
CAPSTICK, Westmorland and Liverpool
BUTLER Liverpool
CHARTERS,  Walton Liverpool
GORE,Sefton, Liverpool .
CRUICE Roscommon and Liverpool.
ROBINSON, Westmorland.
ATKINSON,Westmorland.
DACRE, Westmorland.
FORSHAW,Sefton,Liverpool

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Michael,

The IGI baptism record of Gustav Paul Heise (pronounced incidentally Gustaf Powel Hyz-uh) names his parents as

Julius Heinrich Heise and Wilhelmine Bertha nee Gollax

The surname Gollax appears to have been very unusual. I could only find one mention in a town formerly known as Landsberg an der Warthe = Gorzów Wielkopolski in modern western Poland.

This all ties in geographically with Julius being born in Berlin. The Berlin Address Book of 1835 records several Heise families.

Justin
Thanks Justin we must have been diong this at the same time. I tried to find his bro. ernest but without success. Must get on with some work now!
Michael
HEISE ,Germany, London and Birkenhead.
HARTWELL. London. Arundel.
CAPSTICK, Westmorland and Liverpool
BUTLER Liverpool
CHARTERS,  Walton Liverpool
GORE,Sefton, Liverpool .
CRUICE Roscommon and Liverpool.
ROBINSON, Westmorland.
ATKINSON,Westmorland.
DACRE, Westmorland.
FORSHAW,Sefton,Liverpool

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 12:42 GMT (UK) »
Useful to understand the history of where the IGI Gustav Heise was born:

11 OCT 1874  Sankt Trinitatis, Danzig Stadt, Westpreussen, Preussen

West Prussia was a province of the Kingdom of Prussia 1773–1824 and 1878–1919/20 which was created out of the earlier Polish province of Royal Prussia.
After Germany was defeated in 1918, in February 1920 it handed over West Prussia's central parts to become the so-called Polish Corridor and the Free City of Danzig.
Following conquest by the Soviet Army in the early months of 1945, German-speaking citizens of the former Free City of Danzig were killed and expelled, and the city was put under Polish administration under its traditional Polish name, Gdansk, and Polish people were brought in as replacement.

So Polish connectiions should not be surprise, though we have yet to confirm that the IGI entry for Gustav P Heise is  or is likely to be our man.

David

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Re: Gustav Paul HEISE My lost Great grandfather
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 12:51 GMT (UK) »
I wonder:

During World War I the British government interned male citizens of the Central Powers, principally Germany, Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Turkey. They were held mainly in internment camps close to Peel, and a smaller one near Douglas.

http://www.gov.im/mnh/heritage/library/bibliographies/internment.xml

shows what records are available. But ...

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SUSSEX-PLUS/2001-08/0996904696

(Extract of non-copyright site):

"Very few records of individual internees survive for the First World War.
Specimen lists of German subjects interned as prisoners of war in 1915 and
1916 can be found in WO 900/45 and WO 900/46 and a classified list of
interned enemy aliens can be found in HO 144/11720/364868 , a facsimile copy
of which is available in the reading rooms at the PRO. Nominal rolls of male
enemy aliens of the age of 45 and upwards, submitted to the Secretary of
State by commandants of internment camps, are included among a census of
aliens in the United Kingdom from 1915 to 1924 in HO 45/11522/287235 .
References to individual internees can also be found among the card index to
the Foreign Office general correspondence in the PRO. Any reference found on
a card needs to be turned into a modern PRO reference. Not all files have
survived".