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Where can I find out about Abergavenny
« on: Friday 19 December 08 23:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Everyone,
Just dipping my toes for the first time in this part of the world as I'd like to discover what kind of place Abergavenny was from the early 1820's through to the 1870's.  I'm not even sure whether its records are found under the same county, and which one that might be.
I'm trying to trace a Joseph HART, who was in the Census of 1841 there as a "Clerk, Coal Wharf", and thereafter was a "Proprietor of Houses" in 1851 and 1861.  There's a death entry for a Joseph HART aged 93, in 1869, which could well be the same man, and it's possible he may have left a will too.  His birthplace is given as Longhope, Gloucs...
So, where might records for Abergavenny for these years be kept, and where might I read an informative description about the nature of this town then?
Very best wishes,
keith

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Re: Where can I found out about Abergavenny
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 December 08 00:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Keith,
               You could do worse than to start off with genuki.org.uk - click on Wales, Wales, Monmouth, Town list click Abergavenny - looks to be loads to read there, but I don't know what you'll find.
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Re: Where can I found out about Abergavenny
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 December 08 08:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, Pinot!
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notts/derbys clark
      "        "      stenson
        "       "    nicholson
       "     "        jarvis
                         castledine
    rhodes

 
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Re: Where can I found out about Abergavenny
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 December 08 09:25 GMT (UK) »
hello again
sylvia

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notts/derbys clark
      "        "      stenson
        "       "    nicholson
       "     "        jarvis
                         castledine
    rhodes

 
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Re: Where can I found out about Abergavenny
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 December 08 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, Sylvia,
And thanks so much for all this information.  I've only this morning received by e-mail from Australia from (hopefully) descendants of this family that a Lucy wrote a letter saying she was a younger (and only) sister of Vernon Mary Ann HART, remembering that her elder sister went to Australia with her husband of 1846, John NOTT, and she didn't see her for another 35 years.
These facts exactly tally with what we know so far about the family...
I think the Joseph HART here is possibly the man who married an Elizabeth GOODE in Hereford in 1821, and who may be the individual who was baptised in Longhope, Gloucs, in 1779, parents Anth. and Ann HART.
So, seem to be getting somewhere at last.  I don't suppose there might be an 1869 gravestone in a churchyard or cemetery in Abergavenny bearing Joseph HART's (aged 93) name.  I'm certainly going to see whether he left a will, and if so, send away to York for it...
But very interested to read all the details about what kind of place Abergavenny was in the early Victorian era, many thanks for those links,
keith
p.s Does Tudor Street still exist, by the way, anyone with local knowledge?
p.p.s. This Lucy HART became a Mrs JENKINS, I think, sometime after 1861 - any local marriages that would fit the clues?

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Re: Where can I found out about Abergavenny
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 December 08 13:26 GMT (UK) »
do these fit
sylvia

Joseph Hart
 1776
Reg1869
Jan/Feb/Mar
DIED 93
Abergavenny
 Monmouthshire
======================
Joseph Hart
chris 4 Jan 1784
Redbourn
Father  Moses Hart
Rebeccah

====================

1871 census

Lucy Hart 29
=================

1881 CENSUS
Lucy Jenkins  38
stephen h  jenkins   35

Stephen J  Jenkins  7
Edwin H Jenkins    5
William C Jenkins   3
=======================
notts/derbys clark
      "        "      stenson
        "       "    nicholson
       "     "        jarvis
                         castledine
    rhodes

 
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Re: Where can I find out about Abergavenny
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 20 December 08 15:45 GMT (UK) »
Sylvia,
I think the first of those two entries for Joseph HART is the correct one, but where did you get the 1776 date from, and was it from Longhope?  It's just that the 1779 date from the IGI is a baptism, I believe.
Not a hundred per cent sure that that Lucy JENKINS is the right one, as she seems a bit old to be the Lucy HART, aged 12 in 1851 and aged 22 in the 1861.  Think I'll hedge my bets on that one for the time being - where was that 1871 and 1881 Census entry, by the way?
And thanks very much for spending so much time trying to solve my jigsaw!
Very best wishes,
keith

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Re: Where can I find out about Abergavenny
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 20 December 08 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Sylvia,
Actually, having found the marriage between a Lucy HART and a Stephen Hosken JENKINS in March quarter 1873 in the Monmouth reg. district, you may very well have been onto something, and that her age as given in the Censuses was inaccurate...
More food for thought,
keith