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streeter morris newman
« on: Tuesday 23 December 08 01:21 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for any information on Streeter Morris Newman, abt 1843. in a place called Hooe? I do not have a birth/baptism date for him or a death date. He also had a son by the same name. He married Amelia Pearson in 1865 in West Hartlepool.
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Kathy

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 December 08 01:28 GMT (UK) »
1851 census HO107/1635 Folio 20
John Newman Head 38  b Brightling, Sussex            Farm labourer
Harriet Newman Wife 37  b Brighton, Sussex
Frances Charity Newman Dau 18 unm b Guestling, Sussex 
George Newman Son 12  b Guestling, Sussex
Thomas Newman Son 10  b Hooe, Sussex
Streeter Newman Son 8  b Hooe, Sussex
Elizabeth Newman Dau 6  b Hooe, Sussex
John William Newman Son 2  b Fairlight, Sussex
Eliza Morris Visitor 20 unm b Winchelsea, Sussex              Dressmaker
Cottage at Lush?? Hill??, Guestling, Sussex

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 December 08 01:31 GMT (UK) »
Birth
Streeter Morris  Newman
Year 1842 Qtr Sep Dist: Hailsham Vol 7 Pg 323
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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 December 08 01:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the information from both of you. I will look up the census record.
When I looked up the index for Streeter, it only gave his son's birth date, not the fathers.
Kathy

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 December 08 08:06 GMT (UK) »
Found this on the Sussex Marriage Index

Guestling, East Sussex, 15 Mar 1834
Harriet MORRIS
John Newman RIGGLESFORD
 
1881
6 Cambridge Rd, Holy Trinity, Hastings
Thomas RICKLESFORD, head mar 40, Carman, born Hooe, Sussex
Kate RICKLESFORD, wife mar 41, Lodging house keeper, born Icklesham, Sussex
Streeter M NEWMAN, nephew s 12, Scholar, born Hartlepool
+ a couple of servants
RG11/1026/F67/P51

Thomas Newman RICKLESFORD married Catherine LEADBETTER, Mar qtr 1864, Hastings, 2b 47. This is the Thomas NEWMAN aged 10 in 1851, brother to Streeter.

1871
58 Stonefield Rd, St Mary in the Castle, Hastings
James SELLINS, head mar 37, Carman, born Sussex, Westfield
Frances C SELLINS, wife mar 35, born Sussex, Guestling
Thomas J SELLINS, son 9, Scholar, born Sussex, Westfield
Elizabeth I SELLINS, dau 6, born ditto
William J SELLINS, son 3, born Sussex, Hastings
Carlos SELLINS, son 10mo, born ditto
same address
John NEWMAN, head mar 58, Warehouseman, born Sussex, Brightling
next page
Harriet NEWMAN, wife mar 57, born Sussex, Brighton
Martha M NEWMAN, dau 15, Dressmaker, born Sussex, Westfield
Streeter MORRIS, father wid 82, labourer, born Sussex, Fairlight
RG10/1031/F27/P46 & 47

Streeter is Harriet's father not John's I would think.

Frances Charity Newman RIGGLESFORD married James SELLENS, Dec qtr 1859, Battle, 2b 93

Looks like somewhere along the line some of the family have dropped the RIGGLESFORD name off the end and used NEWMAN as the surname.

1841
Martins, Hooe, Sussex
John NEWMAN, 25, Ag lab
Harriet NEWMAN, 25
Frances NEWMAN, 5
George NEWMAN, 2
Thomas NEWMAN, 6mo
same address
Streeter MORRIS, 50, Ag lab
Frances NEWMAN, 45
All born in county
HO107/1109/B2/D11/F12/P18

Streeter MORRIS bapt 8 Jan 1788, Guestling, s/o Thomas and Ann - IGI submitted entry.

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Mountfield, East Sussex, 22 Nov 1813
Frances RIGGLESFORD
Elias NEWMAN

Might be the Frances NEWMAN with Streeter MORRIS in 1841
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No connection. Frances and Elias are in Hellingly in 1841, 1851 and 1861.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex
EDWARDS, York

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 December 08 03:58 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ian,
so how did you figure out that their last name was once Ricklesford/Rigglesford? Is this Sussex index available to everyone?this is great information. Thanks.
Kathy

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 December 08 05:46 GMT (UK) »
Streeter born 1869 was with his uncle Thomas in 1881, who was Thomas NEWMAN/Thomas Newman RICKLESFORD, who married using the full name. John and Harriet's daughter Frances also married using the RIGGLESFORD name.

I thought Harriet's maiden name might have been MORRIS. Could not find a John NEWMAN marriage on the SMI but did find a Harriet MORRIS.

I am picking that John may have been born out of wedlock, and that his mother was a RIGGLESFORD. Quite often in those cases the fathers surname is given as a second name, in this case NEWMAN, hence John Newman Rigglesford. It became recognised that his fathers name was NEWMAN, and so the RIGGLESFORD was dropped.

The SMI can be purchased from the SFHG, link in the Sussex Resources page.

If you can get access to the Brightling PRs you might find his baptism to confirm this one way or the other.

See that Harriet's death was registered Jun qtr 1875 as Harriet Newman RIGGLESFORD aged 61, and John's Dec qtr 1877 as John Newman RIGGLESFORD aged 64.

Ian C
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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex
EDWARDS, York

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 December 08 05:48 GMT (UK) »
I am in awe.. thanks..
Kathy

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Re: streeter morris newman
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 December 08 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Looks like John might have married again in 1876 after Harriet died as well.

Ian C
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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex
EDWARDS, York