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William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« on: Thursday 08 January 09 11:38 GMT (UK) »
William is my 3rd g-grandfather.  I only know he was born around 1807 in Kelton.  I know there is supposed to be a Kelton in Kirks, a well as a village called Kelton in Dumfries.  Now which one they belong to I am not sure.  My William married Janet "Jane" Kerr.  Janet was born in Dalton, Dumfries, and their daughter Agnes was born Abt 1827 in Kelton, Kirks.  So now I am completely confused since finding that there is a place called Kelton in Dumfries.  I am not so sure that maybe I picked up the Kirks by looking online to see what county Kelton was in.

Agnes married Thomas Tweedie b. 1818 in "Cairne" Dalton Parish, Dumfries.  Think the Cairne was short for Pleacairne, the farm the family lived on.  They had 10 children.  Thomas immigrated to the US with all but one of his children shortly after Agnes died in 1881.  I have his naturalization records.  I am looking for more information on the McGowan and Kerr families.  Does anyone know of this family?

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 January 09 13:04 GMT (UK) »
A search on scotlandspeople turns up a DC for Agnes mum in November of 1881 and Thomas was the informant for this too so he didn't sail for the US until after then.  This gives you her parents names and the fact that she had survived hubbie William.  A search for the DC for William McGowan turns up one in 1873 Troqueer age 83 that was married to Jane Kerr.  If this is your William then perhaps he was born a bit before 1807???....not sure if this is the right one.  The DC has parents names and a son Robert was the informant.  Sorry but I've got no further data on either family.

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 January 09 13:47 GMT (UK) »
I have a copy of Agnes mothers death cert, it is William I am having the problem with.  I have seen in some family trees online that William and Jane both may have been born in the 1790's, which is quite possible, I dont have anything definate on that.  It sounds to me like the William in Troqueer is probably him.  I will have to check SP for the cert and see what it says.  Thanks for looking.  Think I just needed a little extra confidence.  The only child I have listed for them to this point is Agnes. 

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 January 09 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Just to answer your question about Kelton.  There is only one parish called Kelton and it is in Kirkcudbrightshire.  For some reason Scotland's People have it in Dumfriesshire which is wrong!  This has been pointed out to them but nothing seems to have been done about it. Mary
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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 January 09 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Just to answer your question about Kelton.  There is only one parish called Kelton and it is in Kirkcudbrightshire.  For some reason Scotland's People have it in Dumfriesshire which is wrong!  This has been pointed out to them but nothing seems to have been done about it. Mary

There is a Kelton village near Glencaple, Dumfries and a Kelton near Castle Douglas, bound to cause confusion?

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 January 09 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Brenda

With the information that Jean found and a possible death for William in Troqueer 1873, there is this census entry in 1871 which is likely to relate to that couple:

William McGowan 78, gardener, b. Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Jane McGowan 67, b. Dalton, Dumfriesshire

Address: West Cottage, Maxwelltown, Troqueer

The 1861 census shows the following:

William McGowan 65, Gardner, b.Dumfries
Jane McGowan 54, b. Dalton
Edward McGowan 78, son, (likely age is mistranscribed!), stationer, b. Kelton, Kirkcudbright
Robert McGowan 15, son (probably the one showing on the DC that Jean found who reported the death), b. Kelton, Kirkcudbright

Address: Moat Cottage, Troqueer

Certainly looks promising. Agnes and husband Thomas Tweedie married (or banns were called) in Dalton. What occupation showed for her father William on her death cert.?

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 January 09 21:14 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked on the johnmcmillanfamilyhistory site? at the cemetery inscriptions. You,re Agnes McGowan,( wife of Thomas Tweedie) is there( died at Whitecroft, Dalton 2/2/1881) and Janet Kerr wife of William McGowan ( d 11/11/1881), Also Agnes Tweedie dau of Thomas Tweedie wife of William Campbell.

I also found Edward b to William Mcgowan and Janet Kerr in Kelton 28/3/1842.

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 January 09 21:41 GMT (UK) »
That birth year that you found AKC for Edward would then fit with the family's 1851 entry - all the children showing as born in Kelton:

William McGowan 52, agr. lab. , b. Dumfries
Jean McGowan 45, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
James McGowan 19
Jean McGowan 12
Edward McGowan 9
Robert McGowan 7
Alexander Herr (Kerr?) 39, visitor, shopkeeper, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries

Address:  Banks, Troqueer

We need to find Agnes at home with this family in the 1841 census to be more certain. Her marriage shows in January 1851, so she was already married by the time this census was taken.

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Re: William McGowan b. Abt 1807 Kelton
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 January 09 21:54 GMT (UK) »
I think this entry is certainly one to check on the original image at SP. This is the closest I can see on the 1841 Census (not FreeCen which doesn't seem to include the 1841 Kelton entries):

William McGown 38, agr. lab.
Pear (Jean?) McGown 30
Agne P McGown 14
William McGown 12
James McGown 10
Mary McGown    8
Junscet (?spl) McGown 3

Address:  South Queen Street, Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire

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