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« on: Sunday 25 January 09 11:56 GMT (UK) »
I have an ancestor named Francis Alwyn Reimis Hooper ( the Reimis is as it appears on a death cert .) . He named his son Francis Alwyn Rhemis Hooper . Family legend has it that Francis senior was taken prisoner during WW1 and initially held at Rheims . He was a freemason as was one of his captors and in recognition of the help given to him as a prisoner he took on the name Rhemis which I think is an old spelling of Rheims . The family story I think is a bit doubtful , I can find no record of Francis as a POW . Anybody got any ideas about the name . There is no record of the name elsewhere in the family .
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Re: name explanation
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 January 09 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike

Have you asked on the Armed Forces board?

You'd need to provide info on which unit Francis was with.

Some dates etc might be helpful too - have you got documents relating to Francis senior - at what point does the name appear, or was it just the death cert?

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk <br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN<br />HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD<br />GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS<br />WIL: WEBB, SALTER<br />RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS<br />GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY<br />MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD<br />SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON<br />IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: name explanation
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 January 09 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked birth and marriage records?

Who did he marry and when?


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Re: name explanation
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 January 09 22:29 GMT (UK) »
He was born 4th June 1894 in the High Calton , Edinburgh and christened Francis Alwin Reimmes Bain or Bell , illigitimate . His mother was Margaret Bain and his father was Francis Hooper as Margarets husband Thomas Bell had to long before to be the father . Both Francis Hooper snr and Thomas Bell had been soldiers posted to the Queens Barracks Perth and Fort George , Ardesier , Inverness . They almost certainly new each other . Francis jnr married Margaret Lindsay on the 7th Feb 1912 in Edinburgh . His name on the wedding certificate is given as Francis Hooper . He died on the 15th August 1956 in Edinburgh and his name on the death cert. is given as Francis Alwyn Reimmes Hooper . On both the birth and death certs. the Reimmes is not 100% clear .

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Re: name explanation
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 January 09 22:40 GMT (UK) »
New thread here (in case anything helps)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,356223.0.html

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk <br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN<br />HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD<br />GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS<br />WIL: WEBB, SALTER<br />RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS<br />GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY<br />MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD<br />SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON<br />IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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Re: name explanation
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike

I'm getting a little muddled here. Please tell me if i've got this right.

Francis Hooper (Snr) was in the Army, once stationed at Perth and Fort George.
He fathered a son by Margaret Bain in Edinburgh, June 1894.
This son was named Francis Alwin Reimmes Bain but later in life was known as Francis Hooper* (Francis Jr)
Francis Jr married in 1912 and died in 1856.

Which one is supposed to have been a POW?
Did Francis Snr also have these middle names and if so where are they recorded?

*This may have been due to Francis Hooper Snr marrying Margaret Bain in 1888 - there is a submitted entry on the IGI, and an index search of SP confirms the existence of a marriage of 2 people with those names. You'd have to check the cert. to be sure of course.


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Re: name explanation
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 19:17 GMT (UK) »
kirsty , Francis Hooper senior had no middle names that I know of . Because he was not married to Margaret Bain at the time of Francis jnrs birth Francis jnr was christened Francis Alwyn Reimmis Bain , it's recorded on the birth certificate with that spelling . I assume that after Francis snr married Margaret Bain Francis jnr assumed or was given the surname Hooper .It's given that way on his death certificate .  Francis jnr ( who was the POW ) also named his son Francis Alwyn Rhemis Hooper ( the spelling is as it is on his birth certificate ) . Francis jnr jnr died at Dunkirk in 1940 and his name on War Graves site is as spelt above . I know Rhemis is an old name for Rheims .

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Re: name explanation
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 23:24 GMT (UK) »
The IGI has one record of the surname Rhemis, listing the father of a stillborn child as James Rhemis in 1834 Dundee.

Is there any chance that a branch of this family could be related? A grandmothers maiden name maybe or something that would not be immediately obvious?


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Erskine,   McAdam,  Hawthorn
Robertson,   Duncan,   Edmonstone,    Black
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Re: name explanation
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 January 09 23:35 GMT (UK) »
If he was born in 1894 and given the name Reimmes it would suggest the it has nothing to do with his father being a pow