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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 08 March 09 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Bürgermeister = Mayor

And Otto is indeed one of 16 siblings - 9 from one wife, 7 from a second wife.
(So Charles and Otto are actually step-brothers)

Sorry, but the Post Office is closed here too, so I can't post before tomorrow *nail-biting smiley*   :'(  (  ;D )

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 08 March 09 13:23 GMT (UK) »
wow...all i can say is his father was a very busy man :D

so it looks like we are spot on with all this research...so Charles and Otto were step brothers? not half brothers? did they have the same father but different mothers? This is fantastic information...

again thank you so much-without you i would of been floundering still. :o
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Bob i have sent you a PM! package received this morning-thank you eternally :)
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 09 April 09 09:22 BST (UK) »
the plot thickens!!!

it would appear that Otto may of had a child with his first wife... ::) :o

She was raised by her grandparents and had her mothers maiden name...was this very common? she was born in 1893...Laura(her mother) remarried after moving to America...i have litterally just found this out and my head is SWIMMING!

I have sent a letter to Micheal this morning and also to Daphne as mentioned in the letters...though whether she is alive still is another thing.

I am now also in touch with a woman in Australia who is a direct descendent from Charles in Wigan... so it's all systems go...i am on holiday next week for easter and childrens holidays...it will be a welcome break lol, i find this is taking over my life!


I hope all of you readers are well, and bob thanks again for your help, i'll be in touch more directly once back from Weymouth as i'll need some help :)
happy easter all! ;D
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #31 on: Friday 10 April 09 15:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Claire,

Far too many Otto's here, and Georg's, and Friedrich's ::)   ;D

I've tried to summarise what we've got (and what I've understood),
and as there are 5 Kneller descendents involved, I've labelled them all:

Ch. Kneller (UK)
Cl. Kneller (UK, that's you :) )
 D. Kneller (Canada)
 J. Kneller  (UK)
M. Kneller  (Künzelsau)

It seems that J. and Cl. are related through Otto (1875)
and Cl., J., D. and Ch. are related, one generation further back (as Karl Christian, Emma and Otto are all children of  Georg Friedrich Kneller ( (1810-1870) )

But I don't know where M. Kneller fits in here.  I am guessing that you've all been confusing your Otto with Michael's Otto, but they are definitely two different people.
Looks like you all need to find ancestors  (or even siblings) of Georg Friederich, till you find a common ancestor somewhere.

One thing that doesn't "match": J. Kneller says that Otto came to England from Canada, Cl. Kneller (and the Ancestry) record say that Otto came to England from Germany.
I was wondering, whether we are talking about two different Ottos here,
but both J. and Cl. say that he married Eliza Jones, so something doesn't fit there ???

Hope the "summary" is understandable :)
(I'm not 100% certain where you "fit" in ... i.e. whether the  connection to Otto/1870 is through one of Otto/1904's siblings or through his children)


Bob

ps. J. Kneller has now written to me; I'll "point" her at this topic :)
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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 19 April 09 13:59 BST (UK) »
thanks for that :) it's crazy isn't it-blooming family names!!!

right i've just come back off my hols to find a birth certificate waiting for me...for one Maud Kneller who as expected is Ottos daughter and his name is on the birth certificate. his occupation is of pork butcher(as to be expected) but also states 'JOURNEYMAN' so i presume this is someone who knows much of their trade and travels to jobs-is this right? as this would explain how he manged to end up in Swindon and wolverhampton.

I am awaiting a reply from Daphne...fingers crossed she is still at that address in Canada and alive.

 ???
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 19 April 09 14:01 BST (UK) »
I Also had a thought that maybe GOTTLIEB may well have been Gottlob? as in the UK he is listed on census under both names...  ??? ???
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 19 April 09 14:03 BST (UK) »
sorry, also J is related to me...i've been in contact with her and her tree is my tree he grandfather was my gr grandmothers brother...but she's new to this and though she does have him down as going from Canada i believe this to be a different otto that she has presumed was Our Otto IYSWIM?

nice and confusing but we are the same line definately. ;D
Tomlin: Shropshire
Tomline:shropshire
Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire
Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany.
Howes: West Bromwich
Stanton: West Bromwich
Kimberley: Wombourne
Price: Birmingham
Palmer: Birmingham
Mann:Staffordshire.

And whatever else all my digging turns up :)

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Re: Germany: KNELLER
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 19 April 09 14:09 BST (UK) »
Otto's galore  ;D

or wotto lotto Otto  ;D ;D

Yes, Gottlieb could also be Gottlob, but even so, the Gottlob Friederich on your side is definitely not the Gottlob Friederick on M.Kneller's side.
(and we mutter about all ours being called John and Peter ....  ::) )

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her grandfather was my gr grandmothers brother.
Aha ! so you are connected through the "other children", rather than J's father :)

Bob


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