Author Topic: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies  (Read 6143 times)

Offline Gregorsmum

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 13
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #18 on: Friday 06 February 09 18:43 GMT (UK) »
And dad was around in 1897 for the marriage - so does that rule Dudley out as mother is listed there as a widow? 
Evans, Davies, Howells.

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,081
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #19 on: Friday 06 February 09 19:52 GMT (UK) »
And dad was around in 1897 for the marriage - so does that rule Dudley out as mother is listed there as a widow? 

Do you know that he was still alive in 1897 (was he e.g. a witness to the marriage?).  The fact that somebody is not stated to be deceased on a marriage certificate is not conclusive by any means that they were alive.  But if they're a witness, then they're definitely alive!


Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,081
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #20 on: Friday 06 February 09 20:01 GMT (UK) »
The 1874 Bromyard birth may correspond with a 7-yr-old Isabell Davies in 1881 - helpfully living in Bromyard itself but birthplace rather confusingly given as "City, Worcester".

Unfortunately her father is a wine merchant & grocer named Thomas S. Davies, so she doesn't look promising: RG11/2601/35/22.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline Gregorsmum

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 13
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #21 on: Friday 06 February 09 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Oh I did not know that about marriage certificates. The two others I have happen to have "deceased" by one of the father's names so I assumed ( I know now a fatal error!) that that would be consistent.  I am so grateful for all your help so far - it is a real mystery!   
Evans, Davies, Howells.

Offline Daisypetal

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,802
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #22 on: Friday 29 May 09 15:18 BST (UK) »
Hi,

How about this,

Marriage
James DAVIES    Jun Q 1873    Ledbury    6a  899
Alice PINGREE with same details.

Ledbury Registration District crosses the Herefordshire/Worcestershire border,

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/ledbury.html


Isabella Annie DAVIES
Christening:  18 OCT 1874   Bishops Frome, Hereford
Father:  James DAVIES
Mother:  Alice 


Indexed as Joseph but looks like James,

1881  RG11/2582  f.44  p.10  Mathon, Worcestershire
Warner Cot

James DAVIS    Head    M    29    Farm Labourer    Bosbury Hereford
Alice                Wife    M    30                           Suckley Wor
Isabella            Daur           5    Scholar              Bishops Frome
Prestwood         Son           4        "  "                     "          "
William              Son           1                             Mathon Wor



1891    RG12/2323  f.38  p.10  Leigh, Worcestershire
Castle Green

Isabella A DAVIS    Servt    S    17    General Servant Domestic    Herefordshire Froome

Living in the household of Joseph ESSEX.



All the named places seem to within 10 miles of each other, so maybe technically she was born in Herefordshire but came from Worcestershire  :P :)

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places


Regards
Daisy
All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk)

Offline Gregorsmum

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 13
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #23 on: Friday 29 May 09 18:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Daisy

That is fantastic - thank you!  There does seem to be a difficulty pinning down her exact age but I take it that is fairly common? I had found the same one as you when she was a servant in the Essex household but what yu have gien me pins it down more certainly. 

The information you have given me and from her age on her marriage certificate she was born either in 1872/ 74 or 6 !  Suppose need to try and find a birth certificate now

Thanks again for your efforts.

Penny 
Evans, Davies, Howells.

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,081
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #24 on: Friday 29 May 09 19:01 BST (UK) »
Here's brother Prestwood - born in 1876, so she must be 1875 or earlier (especially if she was baptised in 1874!):

Prestwood Sydney DAVIS
Jun 1876 Bromyard 6a 562

Anna :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline Daisypetal

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,802
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 30 May 09 11:03 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I would think the registration found by CaroleW looks the most likely,

DAVIES  Isabella     Sep Q 1874  Bromyard  6a 520



I'm not at all sure about the 'Isabella' with father 'Thomas S' DAVIES in 1881, I think she might be,

Mabel Helen S DAVIES    Mar Q 1874    Worcester    6c  337


Mabel Helen Scarlett DAVIES
Christening Date: 26 Feb 1874
Christening Place: Worcester, Worcestershire
Father's Name: Henry Scarlett DAVIES
Mother's Name: Jane HICKEN



This seem to be her family,

1871  RG10/3049  f.20  p.34  Tything of Whistones, Worcestershire
York House

Henry S DAVIES    Head    M    32    Grocer's Shopman    Leominster Herefordshire
Jane H                 Wife    M    34                                Worcester
Leonora E S          Daur            7    Scholar                         "
Florence J S         Daur            1                                        "



1881  RG11/2601  f.35  p.22  Bromyard, Herefordshire
Broad Street

Thomas S. DAVIES    Head    M    42    Wine merchant & Grocer    Hereford Leominster
Jane T                     Wife    M    38             "              wife       Worcester City
Leonora E                 Daur    U    17      Scholar                             "          "
Florence S                 Daur         11            "                                "          "
Lydia C                     Daur          9             "                                "           "
Isabell                      Daur          7             "                                "            "
Mary E. WAKEFIELD    Ass    U     21    Grocers Assistant                  "           "
James HOLLAND        App    U      15    Grocers Apprentice                 "    Elmbridge
Louisa HANCOX        Serv    U      15    General Servant Domestic         "    Kidderminster



1891  RG12/2069  f.31  p.19  Bromyard, Herefordshire
Town: The Capyards 
Broad Street
(wine stores)

Henry Scarlett DAVIES        Head    W    52     Wine & Spirit Merchant    Hereford Leominster
Florence Jenney Scarlett      Daur    S    21                                        Worcester Claines
Lydia Clara Scarlett             Daur    S    19                                             "            "
Mable Helen Scarlett            Daur    S    17                                             "            "
George Richard OSCOMAN    Servt    S    19     General Servant                Hereford Bromyard
Hannah SHEPHERD             Servt    S    17    General Servant Domestic    Worcester Lower Sapey


I think the 1881 could have been mistranscribed from the original returns.


Daisy
All Census Data included in this post is Crown Copyright (see: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk)

Offline Caz1507

  • RootsChat Pioneer
  • *
  • Posts: 1
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Isabella Annie Davies or Annie Isabel Davies
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 30 January 19 11:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi, My G-Grandfather was Sulgwyn Gomer which was Annie and Roderick's 3rd born. After Roderick died my grandfather moved to Surrey I'm wondering if Annie went to?
Caroline