McLucas - Kilfinichen/Kilvickeon Brickwall!

[lindagro]

I wonder if anyone can help please?

I am researching my husbands 2xgr grandfather Hugh McLucas , born c 1836.
I have his marriage cert for 1866 showing his age 30yr, his parents as John McLucas (a farmer, deceased) and Christian McIntyre (deceased).

I have found a marriage for John & Christian 29/1/1831 Torosay parish, Kilfinichen/Kilvickeon.   The grooms name seems to read John McLucais Gribun,( - does anyone know what the Gribun means or is for? )  I have found a John/Christian McLucais on 1841/51 in Kilfinichen/Kilvickeon but no mention of Hugh in the family.

I can't find Hugh's birth record, and I can't pick him up on any census until 1881 -   ships carpenter, born Taron Argyll. living in Partick.   On the
1891 - still a ships carpenter in Partick born Argyll, and on 1901 - ships smith in Partick born Kelquiche Argyll.

If anyone can throw any light on this for me I would be very grateful.
Linda

[MonicaL]

Hi Linda

Not an easy one this one as you have found 

Can't quite get my head round it but some notes from me to add to your pile!

1. I think the John McLucas and Christina you are seeing in 1841/51 may well be another family. There are submitted entries on IGI at www.familysearch.org which have this Christina as a Cameron not McIntyre which would explain why you are not seeing a son Hugh with them.

2. Are you working off Ancestry's transcription for Hugh's birth place in 1881-1901? Might be worthwhile to look at the original images to be more certain of his birth place.

3. The OPRs at Scotlands People show the following. To parent John MCLUGASH and Christian MCINTYRE:

1   01/09/1834   HUGH MCLUGASH - Kilchoman Argyll
2   05/05/1843   SARAH MCLUGASH - Kilchoman Argyll


Monica 

Added:  Not sure if the McLugash entries are relevant now. There is a death of a Christina McIntyre/McGulash in 1888 Argyll. Widow to a John, farmer. However, Hugh showed mother as deceased in 1866 so now wondering if my supposition of name variations (McLucas/McLugash) is incorrect in this case)

[lindagro]

Thanks for your help Monica.  I used Scotlands People for the census information about Hugh, and have also tried various spellings of McLucas.

Someone did suggest that the family might be called McDougall as that was often used for McLucas ( I can't quite get my head round that!) . But trying that didn't didn't help!

Anyway thanks again, will keep trying.
Linda

[MonicaL]

Linda

Just seen that Gribun (after John's name on the OPR marriage entry) is actually a place name in the Isle of Mull 

Monica

[lindagro]

Hi Monica, thanks never thought of that! Could be his birthplace I suppose, will check it out.

Linda

[MonicaL]

Likelyhood that it was John's birth place so the entry would be written up as John from Gribun.

I did find one other possible entry for Hugh in 1841 last night, let me go and try and find it again.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This is the one:

Hugh McIntyre 66, shepherd
Donald McIntyre 32
John McIntyre 25
Marg McIntyre 22
Christian McIntyre 15
Hugh Lueras 6
Neil McLucas 4

Address: Glemanol, Salen Argyll

With a submitted entry on IGI:

Hugh McLucas  Birth About 1835 Of Salen,Glencanol, Isle Of Mull, Argyll, Scotland

I did wonder whether maybe parents had died and he was taken care of by maternal grandfather?

The OPR records for Salen don't seem to start until the 1820s looking at the IGI batch codes for Salen.

Monica

[lindagro]

That looks promising, will look for that and go from there.  It does seem possible they were looked after by Grandparents, although I haven't yet found deaths for John & Christian.  I have been a bit blinkered in not looking for other areas in Argyll where Hugh might have been.


Linda

[MonicaL]

  We are on the right trail Linda with the Salen family I think.

Neil McIntyre married in Glasgow in 1865, a Lillias (lilly) Hannah McDonald.  A blacksmith by trade age 28, therefore close to age in that 1841 census entry we now have.

Parents John McLucas, farmer, and Christina McIntyre, both deceased.

This is Neil in 1871 with new family - as transcribed not my spelling  

Neel McLucas 34, Clacksmalk (blacksmith I assume!), b. Kilfonechan, Argyshire
Litty Hannah McLucas 33, Blacksmith Wife, b. Bonaw (?), Argyshire
Hugh McIntyre McLucas 5, b. Glasgow
Christina McLucas 3, b. Ardchattan,
Mary Ann McLucas 10 Months b. Ardchattan,

Address: Smithy, Ardchattan, Argyll

At a guess, first born son called after maternal grandfather perhaps.

Monica