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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #18 on: Friday 06 February 09 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Hello Phil
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I think this posting may need merging with the posting for the census board.

hope this help

Sue

I agree. I'll try to divert traffic from the other board to this one.

Philip

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Re: Jesse and Benjamin BUTCHER from Twerton in census returns
« Reply #19 on: Friday 06 February 09 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Dear Listers

I have inadvertently caused havoc, and people are helpfully posting on two different boards as a result.

Please put any further contributions on the Somerset Board, here:  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=358821.new#new

Kind regards, many thanks for all the help, and apologies for confusing people.

Philip Candy


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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #20 on: Friday 06 February 09 12:01 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks indeed for the Benjamin BUTCHER posting. This is exactly what I was hoping for, and because it mentions the LINTERN connection it confirms my hunch that Benjamin and Jesse were brothers, and that their sister was Sarah BUTCHER who married Joseph LINTERN.

Fantastically helpful - thank you.

Philip Candy



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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #21 on: Friday 06 February 09 12:06 GMT (UK) »
1861        Railway Place,Twerton,Somerset

Benjamin Butcher   Head   M 32 Woollen Spinner  Wiltshire,Trowbridge
Mary Butcher   Wife  M  33 Wife of Woollen Spinner  Somerset,Twerton
Ann Butcher Daughter  8 Somerset,Twerton
Alfred Butcher  Son 2 Somerset,Twerton

RG9 P:1682  Folio:7  Page:7

If already posted....sorry  ( getting late here  :))

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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #22 on: Friday 06 February 09 12:12 GMT (UK) »


Raylen   :D   Better late than never   :D  Dont think Ben 1861 had been posted yet  on either  :D

on the 1871 in Twerton there is a Martha Butcher living alone, unmarried, aged 45, Cloth Burler, B. Twerton.

Is she another sister ?
Census information is Crown Copyright from TNA.
Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed,  Fielder, Cawte, Goddard.
Kent:  Float,  Cutbush. 
Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott

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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #23 on: Friday 06 February 09 12:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much. This is great as it basically completes the postings for Benjamin and Jesse, and proves that their sister Sarah married into the LINTERN family.

I would be interested in more information about Martha, born about 1826. She could be another sister, although I think there were other BUTCHER families in Twerton around the same time. 

I have one more request, if people don't mind. Could we possibly find John and Elizabeth BUTCHER in 1861 and 1871? He is another brother of Jesse and Benjamin; here they are in 1851:

BUTCHER John 41 Tailor Twerton, Som.
Elizabeth 41 Twerton, Som.
Sarah 12 Scholar Twerton, Som.
Martha 11 Scholar Twerton, Som.

Again, any help would be very welcome. Who knows, there may be another sister or nephew living with them in 1861 or 1871?

Kind regards

Philip

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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #24 on: Friday 06 February 09 13:27 GMT (UK) »


Martha b. 1826 :

1861
RG0.  P. 1682  Fol. 25  Pg. 4


River Place, Twerton

BUTCHER
Martha  head  Wid  68  Cloth worker
Martha  Dau  Un  35       ~           ~

both born Twerton

In 1851 Martha b. 1826 is in service in Bath.  This looks like her mother:

1851
HO107. P. 1940  Fol. 192  Pg. 39


BUTCHER
John  Head  M  68  Hand loom weaver cloth
Martha  Wife  M  60
John  Son  Un  20        ~        ~      ~        ~

all born Twerton
Census information is Crown Copyright from TNA.
Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed,  Fielder, Cawte, Goddard.
Kent:  Float,  Cutbush. 
Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott

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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #25 on: Friday 06 February 09 13:49 GMT (UK) »

Well, I've found John in 1861;  aged 51, tailor, b. Twerton,
He says married, he's lodging in Kilmersden, Somerset.  Indexed Batcher.

But I can't see Elizabeth with any certainty.

There's an Elizabeth of the right age, also married but with no husband home, living in Walcot, Bath.  But  - she has a daughter Mary A. aged 21. Both born Twerton.

I think Elizabeth and Mary might be the wife and Daughter of William Butcher;  in 1851 he says born Trowbridge, age 57 .

Is this another brother ?
Census information is Crown Copyright from TNA.
Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed,  Fielder, Cawte, Goddard.
Kent:  Float,  Cutbush. 
Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott

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Re: BUTCHER brothers from Twerton - help please
« Reply #26 on: Friday 06 February 09 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much for this. It looks like an earlier generation, which may carry me back further. The John I am looking for was baptised in 1809 to Edward and Ann (nee PONTING) and was definitely a brother to Jesse and Benjamin, whereas this person is more likely their uncle, if he's related at all!!

To make matters more complicated, I have found yet another BUTCHER - William - also born in Trowbridge in about 1794.  In 1851 he has these children:

BUTCHER William 57 Spinner Trowbridge, Wilts.
Elizabeth 50 Twerton, Som.
Edward 23 Machinist Twerton, Som.
William 16 Cloth Worker Twerton, Som.
Mary 8 Scholar Twerton, Som.
FOREMAN William Lodger 17 Cloth Worker Twerton, Som.

When I look at the bathbmd website, Mary, born in 1843, is showing her mother's name as PONTING; indeed she has a sister Ann Ponting BUTCHER, born in 1838 (died in 1844) whose mother was also a PONTING.

SO, it looks as if William BUTCHER may have married Elizabeth PONTING, and had Elizabeth (1819), Sophia (1823) Edward (1828); William (1835); Ann (1938) and Mary (1843).

Could I impose on you to see if you can find John and Elizabeth in 1841 in Twerton and see who is living with them?

Many thanks indeed.

Philip