Help needed Joseph Yates c 1825

[Grahamyeates]

I am researching my YATES amily tree and I am looking to confirm my findings so far.

My great great grandafther Jospeh Yates (c1825) was born in Paddington London. he later married a Frances Carpenter and they can be found on the 1841 and 1851 census living with their children in Shoreditch London. I understand that Joseph's father was Anthony Yates (c 1802) who apparently originated in Phillack Cornwall. I would really appreciate hearing form anyone with any information on this family tree.

Many thanks

Graham Yeates

[roma]

You say he is with his wife Frances and children in 1841 and 1851, they were married in 1848 in Bermondsey. Joseph is with his parents (Joseph and Frances) in Lambeth in 1841 Census. Have you details of this entry?
His parents are still in Lambeth in 1851.

[Grahamyeates]

Hi Roma, thank you for your reply. Could you be more specific about your question. I have traced Joseph Yates (c 1825) my great great grandfather in the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census Also Anthony his father is on the 1841 and 1851 census. Do we have any connections ?

Many thanks

Graham Yeates

[roma]

Hi Graham

No we don't have any connections. Yous said on your message that you had traced Joseph and Frances to Shoreditch in 1841 and 1851 Censuses. It's just that Joseph appears to be with his family in 1841 in Lambeth.

1841 Census
HO107/1057 F28 P 28
Church Street, Lambeth, Surrey 

Anthony Yates abt 1801  Not born in Surrey Occupation Cabinet Maker
Francis Yates abt 1801 Not born in Surrey
Charles Yates abt 1825 Not born in Surrey   
James Yates abt 1826  b Surrey
Joseph Yates abt 1828  b Surrey
Edward Yates abt 1830  b Surrey     

[Grahamyeates]

Hi Roma,

Sorry for the delay and thank you so much for your reply and help with this. I mistakenly said I had Joseph with Frances in the 1841 census, as you correctly say Joseph is with his parents in 1841 and then appears on the 1851 census with his wife Frances. I am starting to go back over my tree to check everything and validate it all. I am reasonably confident as far back as 1841 when Joseph is listed with his parents Anthony and Francis and there Anthony is listed as originating from out of the area. From then on I am really not sure but an IGI search for Anthony Yates who is listed on the 1841 census seems to bring up Phillack Cornwall as the place of origin and a birth date of 1802, which would seem to match. I could of course be completely wrong and this is so frustrating. it seems that the more I find out the more questions are being raised. Could you suggest any way of validating the ancestry from 1841 backwards ? I am afraid I will go down the wrong path completely (again)

Many thanks again for your input

Graham Yeates

[alpinecottage]

Anthony Yates was christened in Sept 1802, so he could have been born the year before.  His parents were John and Elizabeth, and they had 2 more sons in Phillack, Thomas chris 1804 and John chris 1807.  Have you found these two on 1841 census, perhaps living near Anthony? 

John Yates married Elizabeth Martha in Phillack in 1801, Martha presumably being her surname.  Have you found Martha used as a second name for any of the children and can you find John and/or Elizabeth in 1841 or 1851 censuses?  If they are still living in Cornwall with another Anthony Yates nearby, this suggests you have the wrong family.  Where does your Anthony say he was born on 1851 census?  You have to use circumstantial evidence to a certain extent pre 1840-ish, but it's amazing how sure you can be sometimes.

[Grahamyeates]

Hello Alpine, I am gob smacked by the generosity of people on this site..very unusual these days. Thank you. I am still trying to confirm that this Anthony is in fact the right one before I go down the wrong road. On saying that this does sound pretty convincing as an IGI  search for Anthony Yates born around 1802 brings up only a few possibilities. Is there any way I can validate that this Anthony Yates is in fact the correct one ? Is there any way of finding out Elizabeth Martha's surname ?. What sources do you use for your searches...I am really impressed here. Anthony Yates is listed on the 1851 census as originating from Cornwall. I had found Anthony's brothers on a birth search but I have not yet tried the 1841 census, I am going to try that now. So far I cannot find John and Elizabeth on the 1841 census at all or Anthony and Frances on the 1861 census.

Many thanks again

Graham Yeates

[alpinecottage]

Martha is her surname (yes, I know it's odd)  Elizabeth, James and George were all christened during 1790's in Phillack, Parents are James Martha and Elizabeth.  I found all this on Family search; click on the Batch No for say Anthony's result, and it fills it in on the Search page, then put in just a surname or just parents names and you get every other entry that fits those details.  Bit difficult to explain, just play around a bit and you'll see what I mean. 

There are lots of tricks with these websites, read the Rootschat "how to do it" pages for a mind boggling number of tips!

Why do people help each other? - Because we like to and we've all had help from other people

[Grahamyeates]

Thank you so much for your help here. I am a relative newbie to internet searching and really looking for objective opinions in order that I do not make any wrong assumptions on this tree and to validate my findings. I will try out your suggestions..and yes the Martha name really confused me. Oh well off down another path now  with the Martha tree !

Graham