1891 Look Up Frederick Nichols

[linderelle]

I have Benjamin Nichols b 1832  and his wife  Margaret Nichols b 1830 in the 1881 census it is showing 4 children Frederick b 1866 in Felixstowe, Alice b 1867 also in Felixstowe, Charles b 1869 in Bognor and William b 1872 in East Preston. living in Ormesby St Michael, Norfolk

I can find Margaret w her 2 sons Charles 25  and William 19 on the 1891 living  in Ormesby St Michael, which is where they were all living in 1881

Can anyone assist with locating Frederick and Alice in the 1891 census please. I have tried on BMD but alas nothing.

Many thanks in anticipation
Linda

[Galium]

Alice?

1891

Pitts Square, Hingham, Norfolk

Joseph Bailey            head W 68 Labourer Agricul.  Hingham
George Bailey           son   S   26    "              "           "      "
Joseph Bailey            son  S    17 Fishmonger            "       "
Robert Bailey            son  M    20 Stableman              "       "
Alice E Bailey           d-i-l M     24  Housekeeper       Suffolk, Felixstowe

census ref  Class: RG12/ Piece: 1534/ Folio 55/ Page 12

There is marriage in Norwich district March Q 1891 showing Robert BAILEY and Alice Elizabeth NICHOLLS on the same page.  ( The other two people on the page show up as a young married couple in Norwich on the 1891 census ).

[linderelle]

Many thanks for the information on Alice Nichols  .

It's just the elusive Frederick to find.
He may have taken after his father and travelled the country, looking for work. All his siblings were born in different locations.

Any way once again many thanks I am sure he'll turn up when I least expect it.

Linda

[Galium]

Hi,  still haven't found Frederick, but while I was looking to try and sort out this family I came across something which suggests that Frederick, Alice and Charles may not have always had the name Nichols.   Is this something you know already?

[linderelle]

Hi,
No, this is not something I knew and never even gave it a thought. I have no reason to think that they possibly had a different name.... possibly a different way of spelling Nichols, this I have found quite common.

I am intrigued as to what name they were possibly using. It's very  good of you to give up your time to investigate this for me......thankyou

I do have the 1881/1841(Norfolk) and 1901(Norfolk) census but it's the bits in the middle I have no resource for

Linda

[Galium]

Apologies if this is a complete red herring, but here goes anyway.

You have Benjamin NICHOLLS in Rollesby in 1841, aged 9 with his parents Samuel and Frances?

This is the family in 1851 [which Ancestry have transcribed with the surname of the family above them on the page - Nellums]

Low Street, Rollesby

Samuel Nicholls 48         Ag Labourer  Rollesby
Frances Nicholls 44                  Wife     Clippesby
Benjamin Nicholls 19      Ag         Son  Rollesby
Elizabeth Nicholls  12                Daur   Rollesby
Robert Nicholls      11                Son     Rollesby

[Census ref: Class: HO107/ Piece: 1807/ Folio: 243/ Page: 15]

I couldn't find Benjamin in 1861 or 1871, but going on the information from the 1881, I looked for the children in 1871, and found this family:

Coast Guard, Elmer,  Middleton, Sussex

William Brown head 39  Coast Guard             Norfolk
Martha Brown  wife  27                                   Norfolk
Frederick B Brown son 5                           Suffolk
Alice E   Brown  daur   3                          Suffolk
Charles D Brown son   1                         Sussex

[Census ref: Class: RG10/ Piece: 1114/Folio: 69/ Page: 11]

I don't have an explanation, but it is a curious coincidence of names ages and birthplaces for the Brown children in 1871 and the Nichols children in 1881.
I can't see the Brown children in 1881, or the Nichols in 1871.

The births of Frederick and Alice Nichols should have been registered in Woodbridge district (which includes Felixstowe), but FreeBMD doesn't show either with any variation of spelling for Nichols.

I would normally say 'hope this helps' at this point - but I'm afraid it doesn't really    .

[linderelle]

What a mystery.

A long shot I know, but could the children have been put in the care of the Browns who might have been a possible relative. I do not know the maiden name of Margaret, could she have been a Brown and that William Brown might have been an uncle to the children, as he was born in Norfolk. Ummmmmmmm I can feel my Miss Marple head coming on ..... a challenge indeed.

Regards
Linda

[Galium]

Hi, I have been intrigued by this one - further digging brings further complications.

Margaret Nichols in 1881 is aged 51 and born in Thrigby, Norfolk.

Going back to 1861, the only Margaret born in Thrigby is this one:

Nova Scotia Farm, Caister, Norfolk

Robert Flowerday  head  Wid 60  Ag Lab                       Ormesby St Margaret
Margaret Hall     servant  U     35 Housekeeper              Thrigby
John Hall   servant's son        5m                                    Caister

[Census ref: Class: RG9/Piece: 1195/ Folio: 25/ Page: 8]

Not very promising - but....

 Marriages Dec quarter 1864 
FLOWERDAY    Robert         Yarmouth    4b   6   
HALL    Margaret                   Yarmouth    4b   6

1871 census
[Margaret appears to have lost 5 years]

Ormesby St Michael, Norfolk

Robert Flowerday head M 70    Ag Lab  Ormesby Michl.
Margaret Flowerday wife M 40              Thrigby
Bridget Hall M-i-L  W   70                         Rollesby

[Census ref: Class: RG9/ Piece: 1195/Folio: 25/Page: 8]

And in 1877

Marriages Mar quarter  1877 
FLOWERDAY    Margaret        Yarmouth    4b   36   
NICHOLLS    Benjamin         Yarmouth    4b   36


There are two possible deaths of a Robert Flowerday one in 1873 aged 71 in Smallburgh district, one in 1876 aged 79 in Flegg [which includes Ormesby St Michael] district.


If this is your Margaret Nichols it is all rather strange 

[linderelle]

Hi
My word the plot gets thicker as they say.  So in 1861 she was possibly living in Caister with her 5 month old son.  The father of which we can probably safely assume is Mr Flowerday ... .
I think I am going to let the search for Frederick rest for a while. The information you have provided so far has been fantastic and without you I wouldn't have got this much info. Many thanks
Kind Regards
Linda