Richard Fogg 1841 Census Lookup

[Govinda501]

Hello
I wonder if anyone can help me.

I know that Richard Fogg, born 1815 in Bakewell, married a Jane Robertson in Edinburgh in 1837.  In 1841 they were still living in Scotland as they had a child there in about 1845.  I wondered if anyone can find them on an 1841 census of Edinburgh. 

Also, Jane's father was James Robertson.  Is there any way to find out any more information about him? 
Your help is much appreciated.
Isabel

[KirstyG]

Do you have an occupation for Richard? If the name was mistranscribed it might help.

Was the child you refer to James Robertson Fogg? I see his Christening on the IGI in Birmingham in 1850, giving birth date as 15th June 1845, but there is no official record that I could find on Scotlands People for his birth in Scotland.

Kirsty

[hume]

Hi Isabel and Kirsty,

Is this the family in 1841? Surname transcribed by FreeCen as Hogg - you could check the original image at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to confirm.

Address: Rowley Court, Abbey Hill, St Cuthberts parish, Edinburgh
Richard Hogg, m, 25, coach smith (journeyman), b. England
Jane Hogg, f, 23,-, b. in county
Margaret Hogg, f, 2, -, b. in county
Richard Hogg, m, 5 months, -, b. in county

hume

[KirstyG]

Hume beat me to it - I can't find any births on the IGI of a Margaret or Richard HOGG with father Richard, so it may well be a mistranscription.

[Govinda501]

Hello Kirsty and Hume,
I was just about to post this information.
The children born in Scotland were Margaret, in about 1839, and Thomas G. in about 1845.
Richard Fogg was a Coach Smith by 1851.

Your Hogg info looks correct.  The curly F's and H's in those days probably looked very similar!
I suspect, then, that 5 month old Richard didn't survive as his name doesn't feature in later years.  

Thank you both for your help.
Isabel

[hume]

Luckily Edinburgh marriage records around this time (mostly in St Cuthberts and Canongate) are quite detailed, esp. with regards to the bride's father. I took a look at the original register image and it's as follows:

"22nd July 1837
Hogg* Fogg & Robertson

Richard, Smith, Millar's Lodgings, Weir's Close, Canongate,
Collage Church Parish, and Jane Robertson, residing with
her father James Robertson, Hostler, No. 50 Abbeyhill,
Canongate, gave up their names for proclamation, certified
by the above named James Robertson, and John
Robertson, Wright, ?-an-nigh, Canongate, and by
Mr. John Christie one of the Elders of this Parish, the
above parties were proclaimed on the 23rd current."

Long winded but a lot of detail there.

hume

*My mistake!!

[Govinda501]

Hi Hume

That's great information.  Something for me to think about. I wonder if John was her brother. 

Hostler sounds like something to do with horses, like an ostler. 

Thank you.

Isabel

[KirstyG]

The address for John Robertson may be Croft-an-Righ (House or cottage), it is behind Holyrood House, and just a few hundred Yards from 50 Abbeyhill, the address of James Robertson, and on the same street as Rowleys Court where Richard and Jane show in the 1841 census.

A map showing it - you need to zoom in a lot.
http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/edinburgh1056_1_se.html

Could be worth checking the census records to see if they are still there later, that might give you more names to identify Jane's family.

Kirsty

[Govinda501]

That looks great.  I'll see what census information I can find.  It's all fascinating stuff !