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« on: Thursday 19 February 09 06:06 GMT (UK) »
  #1  Does anyone know what area of Belfast, Mayo Streeet was in,or if it still exists?
#2   Is there a St Patricks Church of Ireland, in Belfast? I have found a marriage in a supposedly Catholic Church,but gives  the Reverend W. Hendren as the minister who married them. I'm pretty sure Catholic priests used the terms PP or Father so and so,and Protestants used the term Reverend,so I'm puzzled. Also - I know the groom was definitely Presbyterian,as were succeding generations. I also know that it could have been a "mixed" marriage,but doesn't explain using the term Rev. in a Catholic church.
Any help appreciated. Agnetta

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Re: Belfast
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 February 09 07:15 GMT (UK) »
Hello

Mayo St is off the Shankhill Road and still exists.

St Patrick's Church of Ireland is on the lower Newtownards Road, Belfast.

I'm fairly certain the term 'Reverend' was used by all denominations.

David

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Re: Belfast
« Reply #2 on: Friday 20 February 09 02:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that David. That solves two little puzzles. Agnetta

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Re: Belfast
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 March 09 23:00 GMT (UK) »
I'm pretty sure there is a St Patricks RC chapel on Donegal Street in Belfast city centre (this would be closer to the Shankhill also)

There's mention on it on the Belfast tourism website (gotobelfast.com)

St Patrick’s Church was designed by Timothy Hevey and built in 1874-77 with the assistance of Mortimer Thompson. The statue of St Patrick above the door and the imposing high altar were carved by Neill & Pearse (father of Patrick Pearse). The side chapel triptych of St Patrick, the Madonna and St Bridget is by the renowned society painter, Sir John Lavery who was baptised here. The face of the Madonna is that of Lavery’s wife Hazel, the famous society hostess and friend of Michael Collins. Adjacent to the church is St Patrick’s School, a fine example of Gothic Revival architecture dating from 1828.

Oh and also, I know that catholic priests at my church would often have the titled 'Very reverend....) so I wouldn't be too put off by this
Belfast (Falls Area mainly- Leeson St)  & Lisburn - Magee,Mooney, Adair,Darragh, Burns,Martin,Donegan


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Re: Belfast
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 March 09 03:06 GMT (UK) »
Agnetta,

This is interesting!

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A record of "Rev. W. Hendren" (in joint? charge) of the old (Chapel Lane) and new (Donegall Street)  RC chapels in Belfast in 1819 can be seen here ...

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1819_IndexandHistory

1819 Belfast & Lisburn Directory
List of Churches, etc. in Belfast, with their situations, Preachers, and times of service
Churches and Chapels, Situations, Preachers' Names, Time of Service

Catholic Chapel (new), Donegall Street
Rev. W. Crolly; Rev. W. Hendren
Sunday, at 12

Catholic Chapel (old), Chapel Lane
Rev. W. Crolly; Rev. W. Hendren
Sunday morning at 10

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The "new" RC chapel was dedicated to "St. Patrick" before 1843 ...

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/BSD1843HISTpart1.htm

Houses of Public Worship in Belfast, with Their Situations, Ministers, etc.

St. Patrick's Catholic Chapel, Donegall Street
Dr. Denvir, George Crolly, Patrick Dorrian and T. Kearney
Sunday, 10am & 12.30pm

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Later on, the latter developed in to an extensive seminary, with a veritable nest of "Revs" ...

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/dcomplete1861.htm

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St. Patrick's (CoI) in Ballymacarrett was (?) a very late Victorian addition to the scene.

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1907HIJK.htm

Hayes, Rev. Ernest, curate
St. Patrick's Church, Ballymacarrett,
The Vicarage, 225 Albertbridge Road


http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/nopcomplete1910.htm

..........Saunders Street intersects

St. Patrick's, Church of Ireland
Rev. G. G. Mervyn, rector;
res., Vicarage, Albertbridge Road

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There is mention of a Mr. W. HENDREN assisting at a CoI Young Man's Society.
[BNL 18-MAR-1896.]

Also, a Mr. William HENDREN attending the agm of the general vestry of the Parish of St. Marks, Dundela, held at Strandtown.
[BNL 23-apr-1897.]


A Rev. Samuel HENDREN  A.M. is mentioned in connection with Middletown Pb.
[BNL 15-MAR-1838 & 10-JAN-1845.]

A James HENDREN, was appointed to the committee of Downshire Road, Newry Pb congregation.
[BNL 16-FEB-1894.]


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/H/HeaHen.htm


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There is quite an erudite discussion of the Style/Title of "The Reverend" appelation at ...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverend
[N.B. It can be used for non-ordained, or even outwith-the-faith, folks.]

Interestingly, "Father" is the default designation for most Anglican priests.

Backed up by an explicit coverage of its usage in RC-land at ...
http://www.catholictradition.org/Saints/forms-address.htm

[Hmm, "Very" is reserved for Papal Chamberlains ...]


My local town's RC church has a Parish Priest (Canon), a Polish Priest (Fr), and a Deacon (<null>).
 
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Some folks reckon it should never be used as a title for any man.
['Cos not used so explicitly in the Bible ...]

http://www.firstcenturychristian.com/bible_related/bible_related_9.htm

In our English Bible, the word reverend is found but once.
Psalm 111:9 says,
    "Holy and reverend in his (God's) name.
      It is never used as a title for any man. "

"We are to do nothing through...vainglory, we are to count others better than ourselves..." (Phil.2:3). We must not think more highly of ourselves than we ought to (Rom. 12:3). This includes preachers.

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There are quite a few "St. Patrick's" churches about.

Quite often there are two instances in one location
(e.g. Newry).

Sometimes they move location.
[e.g. CoI Donegore to Templepatrick.]

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Some Pb congregations even use Saint's names in their designations ...

http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/index.php?id=searchcongregations

St. Andrew's, Bangor & Belfast, Cregagh & Dublin, Blackrock
St. John's, Belfast, Newtonbreda
St. Columba, Lisburn
St. Enoch's, Belfast
St. James', Ballymoney

... and some other less-well-known characters over the water ...
St. Giles, Edinburgh
St. Machar, Old Aberdeen
St. Magnus, Kirkwall
etc.

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I'd always understood that a family generally followed the father's religious persuasion.

However I read recently that it was common in Ireland in a mixed marriage for the boys in the family to be brought up in the religion of the father, while the girls followd that of the mother.

['Twas a sensible compromise, knocked somewhat asunder by the harsh "Ne Temere" decree of 1907, since ameliorated ...]

Jock
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

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Re: Belfast
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 March 09 08:08 GMT (UK) »
Well, The Whuttle - Jock - or whatever - it'll take me a "wee" while to digest all this,but at the heels of the hunt,I get the message loud and clear on all counts!! Thanks for all that. Agnetta.

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Re: Belfast
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 March 09 11:07 GMT (UK) »
St Patrick's Church of Ireland on the Newtownards Road was opened in 1893 - I don't know if this is too late for you but it sounds like the RC St Patrick's in Donegall Street is right if the Rev W Hendren served there.

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Re: Belfast
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 March 09 23:45 GMT (UK) »
The marriage I was looking for was c 1820 - so it had to be the older church. Thanks everybody,for your help and info. Agnetta.