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Offline angelan

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Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« on: Sunday 22 February 09 00:15 GMT (UK) »
This is part of an 1807 birth record from a register of Scottish births.

I think it says Boden born Janry 4th _ bap ___ die?

Can anyone help to read the word after bap please. Do you think it says die at the end?

Most of the other records on the page give a birth date followed by bap, then another date. I assume this is the baptism date.

Would appreciate some help. Thank you.
Angela

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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 February 09 01:32 GMT (UK) »
eodem die = the same day

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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 February 09 10:50 GMT (UK) »
If she was baptised on the day of her birth perhaps she was not expected to survive.

On this page there are over 40 birth/baptism entries. Most of which give a birth date followed by bap date which is usually a few days or weeks later.

Many thanks for your help JAP I wouldn't have got this one.

Angela


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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 February 09 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Angela,

It's a very common phrase so no need for thanks.

I'm wondering whether 4 Jan 1807 was a Sunday which is why the baptism took place then i.e. a family member (or a resilient mother) took the newborn along with her/him to the normal church service in order to have little Boden baptized.  Googling suggests that it was a Sunday.  My genealogy program has a calendar but I can't access my program just at present.

All the best,

JAP

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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 February 09 14:36 GMT (UK) »
 An incidental piece of trivia,  new mothers were not allowed out the house until they had been 'churched'.  This may still be the case, as I am not  a Christian I do not know.

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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 February 09 14:38 GMT (UK) »
FaerieFan,

That's a fairly controversial topic  :)

So who knows ...

JAP

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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 February 09 14:42 GMT (UK) »
I didn't realise it was controversial,  I remember my m-i-l telling me that she was not allowed out of the house when she had had her babes until she had been 'churched'.  I, foolishly' didn't think to ask her at the time what was meant by being 'churched'.

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Noon:  Middx. Ratcliffe, Shoreditch, Stepney, Mile End and Essex

Perry: Shoreditch

Twitchett:  London

Trim / Trimm:  London

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 February 09 02:14 GMT (UK) »
FF

If you Google for
churching
you will get lots of hits.

I seem to recall some differences of opinion as to whether it was, on the one hand, a purification ritual (the new mother being regarded as unclean) or, on the other hand, a celebration and thanksgiving for the birth.

Anyway, have a look at some of the Google hits.

And I'll steer well clear of any religious debates about churching  ;)

JAP

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Re: Can you read this 1807 Scottish birth record please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 February 09 09:04 GMT (UK) »
FF

If you Google for
churching
you will get lots of hits.

I seem to recall some differences of opinion as to whether it was, on the one hand, a purification ritual (the new mother being regarded as unclean) or, on the other hand, a celebration and thanksgiving for the birth.

Anyway, have a look at some of the Google hits.

And I'll steer well clear of any religious debates about churching  ;)

JAP

 ;D me too! (Stay clear of religious debates).  Yes,  I will google the word,  thanks for that.

FF
Noon:  Middx. Ratcliffe, Shoreditch, Stepney, Mile End and Essex

Perry: Shoreditch

Twitchett:  London

Trim / Trimm:  London