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Re: Paleography Help!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 02 March 09 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Many , many thanks for coming up with the answer.  :D

I can't speak for the rest of Shropshire, but the Severn Gorge documents I have always have numbers with a j as the last i - if you see what I mean.

As my descendents had a cottage on the common waste from at least the 1560s I guess they would have been fairly well established by the time of the riots. Whether they were just early incomers is another question!

Thanks again for your help,

Peter
Syner alias Taylor from Broseley and Benthall

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 02 March 09 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Peter,

So your ancestors were possibly the ones doing the attacking  ;D

JAP

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 02 March 09 20:51 GMT (UK) »
"My" Thomas was a yeoman / collier. The incoming miners were called "the scums of all countries".  Not sure which side that puts him on.
Syner alias Taylor from Broseley and Benthall


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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 March 09 22:16 GMT (UK) »
As a newcomer to this site, would it be presumptuous to suggest that the word in the first post is folowth   i.e. followeth ?

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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 02:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello Roger,

Welcome to RootsChat!

I see what you mean.

That's excellent.  And it makes sense!

Many thanks for that.

(Just out of interest I've Googled for
"sayeth as followeth"
and
"saith as followeth'
and there are plenty of hits.  Even one for each with viz as well ...
A standard wording, eh.
It always helps if one knows what something should say ...)

Any more additions/corrections to the full document?

All the very best,

JAP


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Re: Paleography Help!
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 08:39 GMT (UK) »
Hello JAP,

Thank you for the welcome. Coming new to this site is like a country bumpkin on his first trip to a big city! It is nice to be welcomed with a smile at the first door on which one knocks.

My own family research doesn't take me back to the days of secretary hand, but many years ago I did local history research, and I like to keep my hand in, so we shall probably meet again.

Best wishes

Roger

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Re: Paleography Help!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 08:55 GMT (UK) »
I think the last line reads "then they would showe their warrant..."
but I can't add any more.

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello again Roger,

Snap!  My own family research doesn't take me back to Secretary Hand either and nor have I done any local history research.  I can't remember why I started taking an interest in Secretary Hand but I well remember the first document I looked at.  It was a Scottish testament which someone described as looking as though a can of sphagetti had been tipped over the page.  By no means an elegant hand such as that in Peter's document.  What's more the testator was a farmer and the documents included all sorts of Scots words of that time for animals and crops and equipment and weights and money.  When I started, I recall putting it into Excel line by line - and the cells were almost all blank.

For a while I used to do the Weekly Posers at:
http://www.scottishhandwriting.com/
They are fun.

And I did some of the examples at:
http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/index.html

Anyway, I'm sure you'll have opportunities to keep your hand in here on RC.

And no doubt if Peter wants to persevere with some of the missing words in his document (that insertion - see reply #8 - is bugging me!) he'll come back.

Regards,

JAP

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Re: Paleography Help!
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 March 09 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello JAP,

I have looked at your post #8 and see you had already picked up "show", sorry about that.

Regarding the final j on Roman lower case numerals, that was also quite usual in the south of England, so I think we could say that it was common practice (particularly in the case of sums of money, e.g. vj s. iiij d.  I imagine it was to stop any possibility of fraudulently adding an extra penny or shilling to a rent or suchlike)

Roger