Hi Ian,
I have tried to look into this a little for you, but please
bear in mind that I am new to heraldry, and you should be guided
by the wiser heads at this board, who will hopefully add their comments.
I have looked up the arms of the Inch and Scarteen Ryan families,
and they are similar as follows.
The Ryans of Inch, Tipperary:
Arms - Gules, three griffins heads erased Or.
Crest - A griffin segreant Azure, holding in dexter claw a dagger.
Motto - Malo mori quam foedari.
The Ryans of Scarteen, Limerick:
Arms - (RYAN bearing an escutcheon of pretence for PURCELL),
Azure, three griffins heads erased Or,
on an escutcheon of pretence Or,
a saltire Sable between four boars heads couped of
the last armed Gules.
Crest and Motto - Not mentioned - Please can anyone say if
this means none were used?
The escutcheon did not come into being until 1919 upon marriage
to a Purcell heiress which leaves the tincture of the field as
the only difference, in your timeframe.
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In 1857, the Scarteen armiger was John Ryan, Thaddeus Richard's father.
As first-born son Thaddeus was to inherit the arms upon the death of
his father on 6 May 1863. There are no biographical details for John
or Thaddeus, otherwise it might have been possible to imagine that he
perhaps had the use of his father's sword.
Source for the above was Burkes Irish Family Records, 2008 facsimile of
the 1976 edition.
Re:
Edward Henry Ryan born 18 Oct 1837, Bengal, India to
Edward Burke Ryan and Emily Letitia. Christened Calcutta 18 Oct 1837.
I can not find either of these men in the Inch or Scarteen descents,
or anywhere else as Nobility or as Landed Gentry.
