Orr family- Lurgan to Brazil

[vroborr]

Do you know About the date of birth, death and place of John Atkinson Orr and sarah Wilhelmina (Ruddell) Orr, John Orr and Harriet Atkinson Orr, Samuel Ruddell and Mary (Mulligan) Ruddell, Samuel Robert Atkinson Orr and Anna Rosaline (Clarke) Orr, Walter Clarke and Martha (McClelland) Clarke, Thomas Clarke and Ann Clarke.
Where are the graves of them?

[aghadowey]

You may not be aware of this, but civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages in Ireland started in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages) so before those dates there are no certificates. For earlier records tyou need to check church records (if they exist).
Also, death certificates do not list place of burial and most Presbyterian churches do not keep burial records (although many Presbyterians are buried in Church of Ireland graveyard).

[KatC]

As a wild guess, the Orrs if from Drumcree area might have gone to a Portadown church, but I have no information on them.  You might look at the LDS site's for Armagh Orrs to see if any connection shows up. I have some early Seagoe records and no Orrs appear in the 15 years worth.

The Clarkes are as follows from Lurgan First Presbyterian Church records, census records, etc.  The church records are not complete, but I am not finding Thomas and Ann baptizing their children in the church.  Mary said she was born in Tandragee, so the family may have moved to Lurgan late.  Ann probably was going there in 1901.  Griffith must list Thomas, but I didn't check.  This tree does not contain the more recently found information found below.                           
   1     Thomas Clarke    farmer   
.      +Ann   b: Abt. 1820   (says 82 in 1901)

   2     Walter Clarke   b: 1857 Lurgan First Presbyterian 44 in 1901 census   
....      +Martha McClelland   b: 1859 42 in 1901 census      
         
..   3             Meta Clarke b: 1882 Might be Martha            
......      +Robert John Dickson  Downpatrick lawyer            
..   3     Lina Clarke b: 1883 perhaps Ann Pauline Clarke who m. Robert Orr son of John in 1909   
..   3     Sarah McCLelland Clarke   b: August 1883            
..   3     Thomas Walter Clarke b: November 20, 1884            
..   3     David Malcomson Clarke   b: 1888   
..   3     Margaret Whiteside Clarke b: May 29, 1890              
..   3     Molly Mary McDonald Clarke b: May 14, 1891                
..   3     William Clarke b: August 03, 1892            
..   3     James Whiteside Clarke b: February 06, 1884               
..   3     Robert McClelland Clarke   b: February 14, 1885               
..   3     Ernest Clarke   b: 1887   
..   3     Elizabeth Gladys Clarke   b: July 30, 1900               
..   3     Russell Clarke   no birth date given  bapt in 1896         
..   3     Samuel George Ernest Clarke b: February 11, 1897   
..   3     Anna Rosaline Clarke b: September 07, 1882 Jane Rosalin when she signs Martha's wedding to Dickson            
......      +Samuel Robert Orr   b: April 04, 1879      Father: John Orr   Mother: Sarah Wilhelmina Ruddell

   2     Annie Clarke                     
....      +John Malcomson                     
..   3     John Malcomson b: March 28, 1889   

   2     Louisa Clarke   b: 1859   
....      +John Malcomson   b: 1859 Presby hardware merchant in 1901 Lurgan         
..   3     Louisa Emily Malcomson   b: October 25, 1884   
..   3     Elizabeth Malcomson b: 1882   
..   3     Mary Malcomson   b.1883
..   3     John H. K. Malcomson   b: 1887   
..   3     Violet Malcomson   b: 1897   

   2     Thomas Clarke    d: January 21, 1881 probably, see wills victualer in will, hoteller? at marriage
....      +Letitia Wells      19 at marriage   Feb 7, 1868   Father: Matthew Wells      
..   3     Jane Clarke b: August 08, 1873            
..   3     Letitia Clarke                     

see second message

[KatC]

Census 1901 Lurgan
64 Church Place, Lurgan  John Malcomson  Presby  42  hardware merchant  Armagh born family  Louisa  42  Elizabeth  19  Mary 18  John H. K. 14  Violet 4  Ann Clarke  MIL COI 82 widowed  Ann Moore servant  RC  20 Armagh

144 possibly Ellis Ct., Lurgan  (This tape was in bad shape, if you need more information, let me know)
 Walter Clarke  Presby  44 grocer?  Martha  42  Meta 19  Lina  18  Sarah 17  Thomas W. 16  David M. 13  Margaret D 10  Molly M. 9, William 8, James D. 7, Robert 6, Ernest 4, Betty G? Or J? 8  Susan Armstrong  26 servant

95  Letitia Clarke  Presby 52  widow Armagh  Letitia Clarke  dau  22, Mary Ann Hinds COI  28 servant Armagh

3.  John Clarke  Mary wife,   William 9, John 8, Sarah 6  Thomas 4, Francis son 2  Mary 3 months  Presby family

Market Street
David  Malcomson  Presby 72  retired grocer Co. Down, wife Mary 56  Armagh (tandragee) kids b. Lurgan  David 30 solicitor Annie Louisa 28 spinster , James 27, Martha 25  spinster Elizabeth 22 spinster  & RC servant

30 Albert Malcomson Presby 31  Hardware merchant  Armagh  wife Eliza 28, son David Clarke Malcomson 1 boarding is grocer asst Alexander Malcomson 30 Presby Down, James McAllister Presby Antrim 23, John Agnew Presby 27, Hardware asst, Tyrone, David Malcomson 29  Hardware Asst Down , George Hurst COI 21 bookeeping Fermanagh, David Sinclair McElroy  Presby Hardware Down 18

Church records as best as I can read them
To David Malcomson and Mary Clarke  Lurgan Merchant
Albert George  June 18? , 1869 , David, Nov 3, 1870 ,Anna Louisa b. Mar 23, 1872 Lurgan,  James Aug 19, 1874, Martha b. Aug 7, 1875,Walter b. Dec 28, 1876, Mary Elizabeth  May 1878

To John Malcomson  and Louisa Clarke
Annie Evangeline Mary  July 29, 1882,  Louisa Emily  Oct 25, or 26, 1875,  John (can’t read the 2 middle names yet) MARCH 28, 1887, Eileen Sarah August 1889, Violet McDonald  Nov 12, 1896

To Walter Clarke and Martha McClelland
Anna Rosaline Sept 7, 1882  , Sarah McClelland  Aug 6, 1884,  Thomas Walter Nov 23, 1874 bapt with John M.’s child,   David Malcomson  June 18, 1887 baptized with Louisa & John Malcomson’s child Margaret Whiteside  May? 1889 bap with Louisa’s child,  Mary McDonald  May 14, 1891,  William  August 3, 1892, James Whiteside  Feb 6, 1894,  Robert McClelland Feb 14, 1895, Russell  no date but bapt with Thomas and Sarah Duke’s child, Samuel George ?Something? FEB 11. 1897, Elizabeth Gladys  July 30, 1900

Thomas Clarke  moved from Lurgan to Springfield.  I don’t know where he fits the tree, but he is obviously a family member
Thomas Clarke+Sara Jane  Duke  had Thomas Clarke b: February 9, 1896, Anne Kathleen Clarke b: January 16, 1893   ,  Sarah Eileen Clarke  no birthdate given 1900, Mary Letitia Clarke b: December 11, 1894,  Thomas Mica? Wells  June 17, 1908,  Florence Alice Wells  June 17, 1908,  Gertrude Louise  Sept 10. 1910

Thomas James White and Mary Letitia Clarke of Springfield had Mary Dorothea Hamilton on Mar 27, 1920

John Kernahan and Gertrude Clarke of Lurgan had John Clarke Sept 25, 1935, David Clark Aug 13, 1939
Thomas Clarke and Mabel Bateman of Springfield had Robert Joseph Ian (possibly another middle name) on
Oct 9, 1938

Marriages- partial listing only I will look for more
Mary Letitia dau of Thomas of Lurgan married Thomas James White of Glasgow  Lt in Army,  son of James April 16, 1919
Annie Kathleen dau of Thomas of Springfield m. Lt John McLaren of Belfast  son of John McLaren  June 18, 1919
Margaret Clarke, dau of Walter m. James Taylor Elliott of Strabane son of Wm a wine merchant Nov 8, 1915
Elizabeth Glady Clarke dau of Walter m. Wallace John Talbot, civil Servant of Belfast  son of WM Irwin  Inspector of Cattle for Army? Nov 11, 1924
Mary Elizabeth Malcomson  dau of A;bert George m. Edgar John Byrne, banker  of Ballyclae son of   John estate agent

Other Clarkes in records with no obvious connection
James Clarke amd Ann Jane Magennis  had Jane Oct 26? 1827
James Rogers and Eleanor Clarke had Thomas  Mar 25, 1830
Alex Hurst and Sarah Clarke had Grace Sept 27, 1832, Mary Ann  Aug 29? 1834
Archibald Clarke and Jane Ferguson  had Cherry  July 1, 1848, Lurgan he was a whitesmith Anna  July 5, 1861
John McIlroy and Margaret Clarke  had Thomas July 3, 1878, James July 28, 1880, Robert Mar 24, 1882, Agnes  Mar 5, 1884, John  May 1887
Hugh Ferguson and Margaret Clarke had Mary Jane  Dec 28, 1896

[KatC]

Forget the Lina marriage to an Orr, I misread the records

Feb 27, 1847 Andrew Clarke, gardener of Lurgan father Andrew of Tarsan married Mary Donaghy father Aiken of Lurgan, farmer  both were 27 years old

The early Clarkes do not sound like your family.  Thomas Clarke/Wells marriage  in 1868 sounds like the first definitely connected marriage in the church records.  I did not see any other than those listed previously.

[vroborr]

Is LDS means Later-Day Saints? I don't know what mean IGI. Who was Cissy Clarke, she was present (witness) at the Anna Rosaline Clarke's marriage.

[aghadowey]

LDS = Latterday Saints (also know as Mormons) www.familysearch.org
IGI = International Geneealogical Index which is part of LDS website

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
     Yes LDS does stand for the Latter Day Saints and IGI is one of the sources on their website, probably the first port of call for any on-line research. It stands for International Genealogical Index and can be found on www.familysearch.org under "Search Records"

Regards

[KatC]

Cissy can stand for names like Frances, Priscilla, Cecelia or it can just be a name for "sister" used by a daughter in one of the Clarke families, not necessarily Anna Rosaline's sister. 

In times like this, comparing the signature in PRONI's Covenant to the marriage record signature can be the best way to name the lady by her proper name.  She should be over 21, I assume, to be a witness. 

When you are at PRONI, you might check their Freeholder records as your families sound prominent enough to perhaps be paying taxes in the 1820's.

I left Anna Rosaline's name off the marriage listing as you have her information.