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McGovern census brickwall
« on: Saturday 21 March 09 19:06 GMT (UK) »
Catherine McGovern was the widow of Peter McGovern when she died in Albert St Govan in 1862. Her age on the DC is given as 45. Death was registered by her nephew Thomas Ward of Victoria St Govan

I can't find Catherine or Peter on any census records

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 March 09 19:19 GMT (UK) »
What was Catherine's maiden name? I have spotted a Peter Mcgovern in the 1841 census.He's a soldier,30,born in Ireland,stationed at Edinburgh Castle.There is also a James Mcgovern,soldier,35,also born in Ireland.
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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 March 09 19:41 GMT (UK) »
Catherine's maiden name was Ward

Their son married Mary Kerr in Pollokshaws in 1864, his age was given as 24

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 March 09 02:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi sancti,

Think this is James ... quite a confusing entry, but obviously had a lot of relatives staying with him. Including his mum under her maiden name.

Address: 43 Collier's Row, Glasgow (Barony par.)
James McGovern, head, unm., 21, coal miner, b. Renfrew
Thomas McGovern, brother, unm., 23, coal miner, b. Renfrew
Hugh McGovern, brother, unm., 4, -, b. Renfrew
Bridget McGovern, sister, unm., 5, -, b. Renfrew
James Ward Junr., lodger, unm., 25, coal miner, b. Stirling
James Ward, lodger, unm., 50, coal miner, b. Stirling
Sarah McLachlan, visitor, wid., 55, -, b. Ireland
Catherine G. Ward, visitor, wid., 44, -, b. Stirling

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 March 09 03:17 GMT (UK) »
Only births I can see for Bridget and Hugh ... Peter/Patrick can be interchangeable? Or even a second marriage for Catherine?

Bridget McGlinchey, b. 16th May 1855 Paisley (Abbey) -- parents Patrick McGlinchey and Catherine Ward
Hugh McGlinsha, b. 29th December 1856 Old Monkland -- parents Patrick McGlinsha and Catherine Ward

This might be her in 1851 (indexed on SP under "Warss"), with father. Although it definitely says "son" for Thomas and James, I think they are Catherine's.

Address: Nitshill, Renfrewshire
Thomas Ward, head, wid., 71, coal miner, b. Ireland
Catherine Ward, dau., unm., 36, housekeeper, b. Campsie
Thomas Ward, son, 13, ? calico print/paint?, b. Barrhead
James Ward, son, 11, [same as above], b. Nitshill
Margaret Ward, dau., 13, piercer cotton, b. Barrhead

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 March 09 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Hume, from what you have posted it's no wonder the family turned into a brickwall for me.

Now I need to find out when/why they became McGoverns

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 13:47 GMT (UK) »
I have found Catherine on the 1841 census for Nitshill with her father Thomas, under the name Ward but I can't see the McGovern boys, Thomas or James

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 16:50 GMT (UK) »
I found the DC for James McGovern in 1882, it gives his parents as

Peter McGovern and Catherine McGlinchey, formerly McGovern, m.s. Ward

Looks like Peter McGovern died before 1851 census but I can't understand why the children are called Ward in that census

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Re: McGovern census brickwall
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 March 09 21:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sancti and Hume  :)

Re the 1841 census, there may be two Catherine Wards, with father Thomas perhaps. There is also this entry:

Thos Wardh 60, miner, b. Ireland
Catharine Wardh 25, b. Scotland
Mary Wardh 24, b. Scotland
Mary Crosson 4
Thos McGavern 3
John McGavern 1
..maybe James?

Address: Brick Work, Paisley Low

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