Lloyds in Gwnnws and Ystumtuen

[Greygirl]

Can anyone help me find more information about the parents, grandparents and siblings of David Lloyd b Llanwnnws 1821? His parents David (possibly b. Llanfihangel y Creuddyn) + Mary married in Llanilar 1818 and his brother William was born 1819 in Llanilar.
David b1821 married Susannah Hughes in Ysbyty Cynfyn 1851 and their children Richard, Jane, Anne and Thomas were born in Ystumtuen in Cwmrheidol. Does anyone know what happened to Jane and Anne?
All leads gratefully received

[osprey]

Welcome to Rootschat!   

There's a possible baptism for David in IGI batch C083321 for Gwnnws 26/8/1821 son of David & Mary.

William's baptism appears in IGI batch C082521 20/11/1818 same parents

I have the marriage on an index 13/3/1818 but can't see it in the IGI batches for either David's parish of Llanfihangel y Creuddyn or Mary's parish of Llanilar. Her surname is given as Thomas.

You can get copies of the parish entries from the record office in Aberystwyth

http://archifdy-ceredigion.org.uk/

[Greygirl]

Thank you Osprey
Can you, or anyone else, help me get any futher back in the family tree with information about David's birth and parents? The marriage record does not name his father although it states that David and Mary married with the consent of their parents so they must have been under 21 years old in 1818. This would give the earliest year of birth as 1797. Although the marriage record states that David is from Llanfihangel - y - Creuddyn that may not have been his place of birth, of course, he might just have been living there and I've been unable to cross-check by positively identifying him (or Mary) in census records in later years.
Many thanks

[osprey]

Sorry, IGI batches for Llanfihangel y Creuddyn and Llanilar only start in 1811 and I haven't got anything earlier on disc.
 The problem with the IGI in Wales before 1813 is that it presumes a patronymic naming pattern e.g. if that had been the case for the sons, they would have been recorded as David David and William David son of David Lloyd. It doesn't mean they were named this way, it just the way the names have been transcribed. 
So, the way to find earlier baptisms is to search the batch by first name and then check what the father's surname really is. If you don't know which parish to search or there isn't an early enough batch, you need to use the record office.

Did you get copies of the baptisms to find out David's occupation? Or do you know it from the marriage cert? It might help to identify him in the census. 

[Greygirl]

In 1818, the baptism record of William, David + Mary's first son, states "labourer" as father's occupation and the family were living at (?)Fraith Bach in Llanilar.

At son David's baptism in 1821, father's occupation was still "labourer" and they were living at Trefryw in Gwnnws. When David jnr  married Susannah Hughes at Ysbyty Cynfyn chapel of ease in 1851, his father's occupation was "miner". The record doesn't specifically mention if father David was still alive or not and the witnesses were William Davies and Thomas Davies - no idea who they were unless they were David jnr's brothers using the patronymic "Davies" perhaps.

At the time of the census in 1851 David jnr was lodging with the family of Thomas Jenkins (farmer & smith) at Tyhir in Cwmrheidol with no mention of any other Lloyds at that address, and by the time he got married to Susannah in May that same year his address was
(?)Tanyrochr in Cwmrheidol.

All these baptisms and weddings took place in anglican churches although once settled in Cwmrheidol they became staunch Wesleyans and succeeding generations maintained the non-conformist tradition. I haven't searched the non-conformist records for Gwnnws, Llanilar, Llanfihangel-y-Creuddyn etc so it's possible that something might turn up there when I get a chance to visit Aberystwyth again.

[osprey]

that sounds like a good idea. Try the established church records as well as they're not online. You can't really judge from the marriages being in the established church - they had to be up until civil registration, and non-conformist churches had to have a registrar present to conduct marriages until 1899, so it could have been a case of an easier option and marrying in the parish church.

Have you found any handy relatives visiting on census night that you can trace back? Or is it just the 2 brothers?