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1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« on: Thursday 17 February 05 23:40 GMT (UK) »
I would very much appreciate any lookups for KNIGHTs in Houghton Regis or Leighton Buzzard or Dunstable

The following is from the 1871 Census Houghton Regis:

High St.
David KNIGHT head Mar 29 bricklayer born Beds Houghton Regis
Amelia KNIGHT wife Mar 23 straw sewer born Beds Leighton Buzz.
Arthur KNIGHT son 4 born Beds Hougton Regis
Leonard KNIGHT son 1 born Leighton Buzz.

David KNIGHT's father was possibly James KNIGHT.

Also from the 1871 Census in Dunstable

High St. South
Joseph KNIGHT head wid 56 agricultural labourer Beds Houghton Regis
George KNIGHT son unm 27 bricklayer Beds Dunstable
Sarah KNIGHT daur unm 23 straw bonnet sewer Beds Dunstable

I'd also be interested in any other KNIGHTs in these communities

Many thanks
Kat

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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 February 05 22:16 GMT (UK) »
This is the only David Knight I can find in the High Street, some of the facts seem to fit with what you have, others don't.

Thomas Knight   Head      Married   35   Bricklayer      Beds Houghton Regis
Beulah Knight   Wife      Married   33   ?? Maker      Beds Houghton Regis
David Knight   Son      Unm   9   Scholar         Beds Houghton Regis
Rebecca Knight   Dau         4            Beds Houghton Regis
Francis Knight   Son         1            Beds Houghton Regis
John ???   Father in Law   Married   75   pauper Bricklayer   Beds ??
Rebecca ???   Mother in Law   Married   68   Pauper         Beds Houghton Regis

The scans are quite poor, hence the incomplete info.

I will attempt to extract more information shortly.

Cheers Rob
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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 February 05 23:45 GMT (UK) »
Rob that's great.. thanks so much for this 1851 info.  Family history would be downright boring if it weren't for those wee discrepancies :D

I've just looked up the IGI

THOMAS KNIGHT     Father:     JOHN KNIGHT         
Marriages:
     Spouse:     BEULAH DUNCOMB    
     Marriage:     15 OCT 1842      Houghton Regis, Bedford, England

and possibly Beulah's parents
         
JOHN DUNCOMBE    
Marriages:
     Spouse:     REBECCA STOKES    
    Marriage:     28 MAR 1818      Houghton Regis, Bedford, England

Cheers,  Kat

This is the only David Knight I can find in the High Street, some of the facts seem to fit with what you have, others don't.

Thomas Knight   Head      Married   35   Bricklayer      Beds Houghton Regis
Beulah Knight   Wife      Married   33   ?? Maker      Beds Houghton Regis
David Knight   Son      Unm   9   Scholar         Beds Houghton Regis
Rebecca Knight   Dau         4            Beds Houghton Regis
Francis Knight   Son         1            Beds Houghton Regis
John ???   Father in Law   Married   75   pauper Bricklayer   Beds ??
Rebecca ???   Mother in Law   Married   68   Pauper         Beds Houghton Regis

The scans are quite poor, hence the incomplete info.

I will attempt to extract more information shortly.

Cheers Rob


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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 February 05 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Can confirm the entry on the IGI from the Houghton Regis parish register.

28/3/1818. John Duncombe otp and Rebecca Stokes otp were married by banns.

Could not read who the witness were other than a "Scott". John signed the register.

13/10/1842 Thomas Knight, f/a, batchelor, labourer, of Houghton Regis, father John Knight, labourer, married
Beaulah Duncomb, f/a, spinster, of Houghton Regis, father John Duncomb, bricklayer. Witness were Dan Duncomb and James Duncomb. Dan Duncomb only signatory.
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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 February 05 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for confirming these entries   :D

On Thomas Knight's marriage,  do you recall if the residences of the fathers John Knight and John Duncomb were given as Houghton Regis (or elsewhere?)

Cheers, Kat

Can confirm the entry on the IGI from the Houghton Regis parish register.

28/3/1818. John Duncombe otp and Rebecca Stokes otp were married by banns.

Could not read who the witness were other than a "Scott". John signed the register.

13/10/1842 Thomas Knight, f/a, batchelor, labourer, of Houghton Regis, father John Knight, labourer, married
Beaulah Duncomb, f/a, spinster, of Houghton Regis, father John Duncomb, bricklayer. Witness were Dan Duncomb and James Duncomb. Dan Duncomb only signatory.
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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 February 05 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Rob,

I've had a look again at the 1881 census ... it turns out there were 2 David KNIGHTs born in Houghton Regis.

DAVID No. 1.

David KNIGHT, age 37 (born ca 1844), head, Houghton Regis, bricklayer; Amelia KNIGHT,age 34 (born ca 1847), Leighton Buzzard
in 1881 in Luton no 26 Burr St. with son Leonard age 11 (born ca 1870) in Leighton Buzzard.

And this marriage;
David KNIGHT age 21 father Thomas KNIGHT m. Amelia SMITH age 18 father  James SMITH
14 AUG 1864      Houghton Regis, Bedford, England

This looks like the David that you found in the the 1851 census  :)

DAVID No. 2

1881 in Harpenden, Hertfordshire
David KNIGHT, Head age 39 (born ca 1842) Houghton Regis Bricklayer, with
his wife Ellen KNIGHT  age 36 (born ca 1845) Harpenden, Hertford Grocer
Children, all born Harpenden  incl. George 7, Alice 5, and Harry 2.

Marriage:
David KNIGHT father James KNIGHT m. Ellen GOWER f. Thomas GOWER 27 May 1872.

Thanks again, Kat

This is the only David Knight I can find in the High Street, some of the facts seem to fit with what you have, others don't.

Thomas Knight   Head      Married   35   Bricklayer      Beds Houghton Regis
Beulah Knight   Wife      Married   33   ?? Maker      Beds Houghton Regis
David Knight   Son      Unm   9   Scholar         Beds Houghton Regis
Rebecca Knight   Dau         4            Beds Houghton Regis
Francis Knight   Son         1            Beds Houghton Regis
John ???   Father in Law   Married   75   pauper Bricklayer   Beds ??
Rebecca ???   Mother in Law   Married   68   Pauper         Beds Houghton Regis

The scans are quite poor, hence the incomplete info.

I will attempt to extract more information shortly.

Cheers Rob

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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 February 05 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately they do not give the abode for the parents of the marriage partners. The parish registers are of  the same format from 1837.

From Houghton Regis parish register the following:-

MARRIAGE

20/12/1804 John Knight of Houghton Regis to Sarah Stokes of Houghton Regis after banns.

BURIAL

22/1/1852 John Knight of Thorn, parish of Houghton Regis aged 83 years.

1851 census which looks as though it may be a connection.

THORN, HOUGHTON REGIS

James Knight,Head,M, 36,Ag/Lab, Bds Oney. ??
Mary Knight,Wife,M, 36, St/Plaiter,Bds, Toddington.
Joseph Knight, Son, 15, Shepherd, Bds, Thorn.
Elizabeth Knight, Dau, 12, St/Plaiter, Bds Thorn.
David Knight, Son, 8, St/Plaiter, Bds, Thorn.
Sarah Knight, Dau, 4, St/Plaiter, Bds, Thorn.
John Knight, Father, Widr, 82, pauper labourer, NK.

I think James birthplace may be "Olney" in Bucks.

It seems possible that Thomas and James were brothers. The only other "Knights" apart from the two families is a William Knight lodging in the High Street, unmarried aged 42, born Houghton Regis.

Maybe not a lot of help, Waterfall





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Re: 1841/51/61 lookup KNIGHT please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 February 05 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Oh this is just super!  :D

I'm tracing back the family of John and Sarah KNIGHT... and hopefully will link this family to that of my 4g-grandfather, John KNIGHT, born Houghton Regis about 1818. He moved on to Aldenham in Herts. I've yet to find a baptism for him. But it looks on the surface like this KNIGHT family was the only one in Houghton Regis at this time, so I will keep on digging!

William, Thomas, Joseph, James and Hannah were all baptised 21 Jul 1816 in Houghton Regis, parents John and Sarah KNIGHT, according to the IGI.

I've found a William KNIGHT in the 1871 census at the workhouse in Luton, unmarried, age 64, farm labourer, born Houghton Regis, which looks possibly like the same one that you've found lodging in the High Street in 1851.

This James is very possibly
James KNIGHT marr MARY Howe 27 JUL 1834 in Houghton Regis.

The 1851 lists James' father!! which is a bonus as this marriage was a few years too early for the registration. And a double bonus to have this census and the burial to give the elder John's age.

I certainly agree with you that it looks possible that James and Thomas were brothers.

I see there's a Thorn still near Houghton Regis, 500500,224500 on http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
 
Many many thanks

Kat

Unfortunately they do not give the abode for the parents of the marriage partners. The parish registers are of the same format from 1837.

From Houghton Regis parish register the following:-

MARRIAGE

20/12/1804 John Knight of Houghton Regis to Sarah Stokes of Houghton Regis after banns.

BURIAL

22/1/1852 John Knight of Thorn, parish of Houghton Regis aged 83 years.

1851 census which looks as though it may be a connection.

THORN, HOUGHTON REGIS

James Knight,Head,M, 36,Ag/Lab, Bds Oney. ??
Mary Knight,Wife,M, 36, St/Plaiter,Bds, Toddington.
Joseph Knight, Son, 15, Shepherd, Bds, Thorn.
Elizabeth Knight, Dau, 12, St/Plaiter, Bds Thorn.
David Knight, Son, 8, St/Plaiter, Bds, Thorn.
Sarah Knight, Dau, 4, St/Plaiter, Bds, Thorn.
John Knight, Father, Widr, 82, pauper labourer, NK.

I think James birthplace may be "Olney" in Bucks.

It seems possible that Thomas and James were brothers. The only other "Knights" apart from the two families is a William Knight lodging in the High Street, unmarried aged 42, born Houghton Regis.

Maybe not a lot of help, Waterfall







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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 26 February 05 22:37 GMT (UK) »
The following are some entries from Houghton Regis parish register.

BAPS

21/7/1816 Joseph  son of John/Sarah Knight Houghton W/Hse
ditto          Hannah dau        ditto                             ditto
ditto          William  son        ditto                              ditto
ditto          James   son        ditto                              ditto
ditto          Thomas son        ditto                              ditto

MARRIAGE

Joseph Knight otp batchelor & Rebecca Cook otp spinster were married by banns. on the 18/10/1829. Witness Richard Sanders and Elizabeth ? Joseph and Elizabeth signed.

James Knight otp batchelor & Mary Howe otp spinster were married by banns 27/7/1834. Witness John Turvey, Louisa? Turvey. No signatures.

BURIAL

30/10/1835 Hannah Knight dau of John/Sarah Knight Hougton Regis aged 39 years.

27/1/1837 Sarah Knight wife of John Knight  Houghton Regis aged 57 years.

12/2/1852 Mary Ann Knight Houghton Regis aged 8 mths.

1/3/1853 Francis Knight Houghton Regis aged 3 years.

Easter Monday
22/4/1862 Sophia Knight Houghton Regis aged 44 years.

15/11/1863 Thomas Knight Houghton Regis aged 48 years.

Again not sure if this is of any use but did not see a bap for a John Knight around the suggested date.

I have access to the film of Houghton Regis so can look up for you if anything else.

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