Winifred BALL

[SUBI]

Hello can someone help me.  My grandmother Winifred Maud BALL was born in Tirphil sometime around 1904.  I have birth certificates for her siblings who were all born in Bargoed. The family lived at 2 Healddu Road, Bargoed according to the birth certificate of the second born my grandmother being the first born of 11 children.

I am at a total loss.  I cannot find a birth certificate for Winifred Maud BALL born around 1904.  She married my grandfather in Merthyr Tydfil and I have a marriage certificate. Winifred's mother was Elizabeth Ann Jarman, I have searched with a surname of Jarman but I just can't find anything.  Any ideas?
 
Subi

[wendy47]

Hi


Births Dec 1906
Jarman    Winifred Maud    Pontypridd    11a    649  ??

Wendy

[wendy47]

Hi Subi

Was Winifred Maud BALL her maiden name??

Elizabeth Ann Jarman I presume was her mother's married name?

Wendy

[Tati]

Hi both,

Possible marriage

Elizabeth Ann Jarman - Ernest Ball
Sep 1908 Pontypridd 10a 1085

 

[SUBI]

Helllo

Thank you Wendy and Tati.  This is my grandmother.  Everyone thought her maiden name was Ball and thanks for the marriage of Elizabeth and Ernest.

Wonderful

[SUBI]

Wendy

Just been thinking about previous messages . Elizabeth Ann Jarman was her maiden name she then married Ernest Ball.

The confusion thing is I have a marriage certificate for Winifred "Ball" to my grandfather which says they married at Mertyr Tydfil Registry Office on 22nd November 1926 and Winifred was 22 years old and Clifford was 24 years old.  So that would make Winifred born in 1904 however if Elizabeth and Ernest were not married until 1908 as you suggest then our Winifred must be Jarman.  The next down also has the surname "Ball" and her name was Ceiwen born 25 September 1908 and address again is 2 Healddu Road, Bargoed.

Subi

[wendy47]

 Hi Subi

Could she have take the name Ball after her mother's marriage, maybe to stop her being the only Jarman in the famly???
My grandmother had her mother's maiden name but her father's name was added once the couple got married.

The marriage of Elizabeth & Ernest took place in the September Quarter - so that would be July, August or September. They may have got married before the birth of Ceiwen born 25 September 1908.

Buying the birth cert you may discover the father's name. Or if it was your Elizabeth



Just to muddy the waters even more, was Elizabeth a widow???

Marriages Jun 1906   
Davies    Elizabeth Ann    Pontypridd    11a   1044   
Howells    Evan         Pontypridd    11a   1044   
Jarman    David         Pontypridd    11a   1044    
MORGAN    Sarah         Pontypridd    11a   1044

You may have to buy the wedding cert of Elizabeth & Ernest to find out.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ for online purchase.

Wendy   

[SUBI]

Hello Wendy

I have a birth cert for Elizabeth Ann born 8/12/1884 at 3 Invereith Terrace, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd which shows mother as Sarah Ann Jarman formerly Charles and Jonathan Jarman.  On 1901 Census Elizabeth is 16 and living with parents and siblings at 14 Glamorgan Terrace, Llwynpia.  Elizabeth had a child named Ivor Jarman born 23rd October 1902 so if Winifred was her second born with the Jarman name why didn't she change Ivor's name!.  I have a death cert of Elizabeth Ann dated 7/3/1947 (died at 28 Bristol Terrace, Bargoed) age 63 so that ties up with the date of birth of 1884. Confusing definately!

Subi

[SUBI]

Thank you to endy and Tati, I now have birth certificate of Winifred Jarman (known as Ball).

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