John LILWALL

[TIM97]

Hi I'm a bit of a novice at this game that said I'm hooked!

I'm trying to trace a John Lilwall born 1838 in knighton, (I was under the delusion that this was in Herefordshire, but a fellow family historian but me right) He married a Lucy lovett in 1860 in Hay. She was born in Cusop Herefordshire. I have traced him back to the 1871 census, but no futher. He later became a sawyer in Cusop and Hay.

Can anyone help me trace him in the 1861 census back, as i don't have access to census as yet beyond 1871

Any help would be gratefully received

Cheers
Tim

[rhys]

Hi Tim
 John was in Hay in 1861.
Cannot find him in breconshire in 1851.
Lucy appears to have been in hay in 1851.

Rhys

HAY 1851 HO  107 2491  286 6
BACK LANE
LOVATT Joseph, h, m, 61, carpenter, RAD Llanbedr P
LOVATT Mary, w, m, 60, , HEF Clodock
LOVATT Elizabeth, d, u, 25, sempstress, RAD Clyro
LOVATT William, s, u, 22, labourer, RAD Clyro
LOVATT John, s, u, 18, labourer, HEF Cusop
LOVATT Mary Ann, d, u, 16, servant, HEF Cusop
LOVATT Lucy, d, u, 14, servant, HEF Cusop
LOVATT Alfred, s, u, 9, scholar, HEF Cusop



HAY 1861 RG9 4225   10 13


7 CHAIN ALLEY


LOVETT Joseph, h, m, 71, carpenter, RAD Llan' Painscastle
LOVETT Mary, w, m, 69, , HEF Michaelchurch E
PUGH Mary Ann, d, m, 22, , BRE Hay
PUGH William, sl, m, 26, ag lab, HEF Michaelchurch E
PUGH Alfred, gs, , -1m, , BRE Hay





HAY 1861  RG9 4225  23  6
BEAR STREET

LILWALL John, h, m, 22, sawyer, HEF Kington
LILWALL Lucy, w, m, 21, , BRE Hay
LILWALL unnamed (f), d, , -1m, , BRE Hay

[TIM97]

Thanks for the info on lucy lovett, it has helped a lot.
Cheers
Tim

[lucyellen]

Hi
 
Know that some time has passed since your message, but I wonder if you have found John Lilwall on the census.   He is my 3xGr.Uncle.   I do have information for him on 1851,1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and Lucy and her son Charles on the 1901 census.   I am willing to pass on this information if so wish.

Kind regards
Lucyellen

[Puffcat]

On the 1851 census John is aged 12 and in Whitney on Wye.

His parents and John and Mary and there are a number of siblings.

[Puffcat]

If you want his birth certificate it will be available from the
Kington Register Office
The Old Court House
Market Hall Street
Kington
Herefordshire
HR5 3DP

There is a place in Kington called Lilwall

[lucyellen]

Hi

Many thanks for your information on John Lilwall.   I have the family quite well documented, but are still looking for descendants.   If there is anyone out there with the name of Lilwall I would like to hear from you.   

Regards
Lucyellen

[slewi4]

Here is one to add to your collection, if you don't already have it:
Thomas LILWALL, (born circa 1846 at Breinton HEF, son of Thomas), married Caroline WATKINS 26 Mar 1867 at Clifford HEF. This couple don't appear to have had any children, but in the 1901 Census, they have a 7yr old grandson Thomas BIBLE, born New South Wales (NSW) Australia. There was an unnamed male BIBLE born 1893 in NSW to Frederick J and Emily. There is a marriage of Emily LILWALL and Frederick J BIBLE in Woolhara NSW in 1893. I've got no idea when or why Emily was in Australia. There are no further records of her or Frederick in NSW.
Sandra

[Puffcat]

The is a Farm and an area just outside Kington in Herefordshire called Lilwall.

The present Hereford phone book shows a few Lilwalls mostly living in South Herefordshire