REED, HUNT, BROOKS, DEACON

[nightnurse51]

HI there folks,
Hope you can help me out, but I have hit a brick wall big time.
I have my gt grandfather James hunt  birth cert in 1905 to George Hunt and Mary Ann REED aka as Pol or Polly HUnt. reg in Greenwich but lived Baildon st Deptford.
I have a marriage cert for George and Mary Ann 1905 and they lived at Baildon Street. Deptford.in 1905.
George was born on Plumstead Common in a tent (Birth cert 1879) and is one of many siblings to William and Eliza Hunt (nee Smith) William from Bucks and Eliza from Witney Oxford. Theie children were born from Bushey herts to Middlesex and kent (parish records and census)
They were on Mitcham common in 1881 and ended up in Wilford road Croydon. I think I have the right death cert of William in 1913 in Croydon.
Cant find out Eliza death but she was alive in 1901.
George's sister Louisa Hunt married George Gardner in 1889 in Croydon.
Had a child called Noah so I think George's father could be Noah Gardner.
NOw the brick wall!.
ON George and Mary's marriage cert it says Mary's father is a AARON REED
grinder. George's father William is a tin man.
The age on the cert of Mary or POlly would make her birth c 1885/1886.
My cousin and I have her death cert and age made her b c 1884, but death certs are only as good as the informer!.
I dont know her mothers name and have no idea where she comes from, cannot find a birth record in the name of REED REid or REad. She of course could have been reg in her mothers surname. Which I dont know her name.
I did find a marriage record for an Aaron Reed and an Annie Brooks.reg in Greenwich in 1885.
Got the cert yesterday and Aaron was a hawker the same as his father also an Aaron, which was a pleasant surprise, because most of my families were hawkers.
The marriage was 1885 and the age for both was 18.
Found a birth record  for an Aaron in West Ashford kent  in 1867 which fits with the age of the Aaron on the marriage cert.
My problem is I cannot find this family on any of the census!
I can understand missing from 1 census but not all of them.
The witnessess  are a George Deacon and Emma Deacon nee Brooks,found a marriage for these two and Emma is a Brooks. Annies sister?? or even mother.
BUT I cant find any of this family on the census
They seemed to avoid authority like the plague.
First I have to connect Mary Ann to the Aaron  and Annie I have.
I dont want to waste any more money on going back until I have evidence that this aaron and Annie are Mary's parents.
The only girl that was my grandfathers sister was called Annie b 1917 so have I assumed too much?
I am convinced that this Aaron is the one I want, Why because all my fathers connections are with travellers, hawkers, gypsies and most of the families intermarried.
BUt this is the first time I have come across the name of Brooks and Deacon. John Brooks, Annies father was a flower hawker.
I have tried finding them in Wales Scotland Channel islands and even the isle of man.
The only possible scenario is that they were Irish.
I found a George Taylor Deacon with an Emma on the 1901 census, now again I brightened up because I have very good connections with the elusive Notting hill Taylors/Coopers.
Has anyone heard of travelling Deacons? or does anyone know any Reeds?
There is a mention of an Uncle Paddy connected to the Reeds. So Patrick came to mind.
I know how good you lot are so you are my last hope.
Regards Carol

[cathayb]

i have a few reeds around the buckingham and middx and hertfordshire areas.some of the reeds married into the hearns and one thomas reed married a vashti penfold.i know mary horner knows something about the reeds and the hunts as they were stopping with her family alot.contact her on the romanyroad message board.i think there is something on there about reeds and hunts aswell.love cathayb

[nightnurse51]

HI Cathay
Thanks alot Ill do that.
Carolx

[cathayb]

heres abit of what i have found,i dont think it helps much
cathayb 2009.2.26 20:23
i have got a few more in a different area again but then if they were travellers they would have travelled!!!!dont know if these will tie in  somewhere.
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation     1901 cencus bertha reed staying with hearns as a grandaughter!!!!
Edmund Hearn 78 Harefield, Middlesex, England Head Living on Own Means
Rebecca Hearn 71 Padcross, Hertfordshire Wife
John Hearn 27 Watford, Hertfordshire Son Boot Maker
Bertha Reed 12 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Granddaughter
1 Lord's Mill Cottages
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation          1891 cencus
Thomas Reed 26 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Head Bootmaker
Dorcas Reed 26 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Wife
Bertha Reed 3 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter
225 Waterside
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation      1901 cencus
Thomas Reed 39 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Head Inn Keeper
Dorcas Reed 38 Stanmore, Middlesex, England Wife
Bertha Reed 14 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter
Ellen Reed 11 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter
Ernest Reed 8 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Son
Edmund Reed 6 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Son
Thomas Fennell 42 Acton, Middlesex, England Boarder Water & Gas Jointer
Walter Brightman 20 Berkhampsted, Hertfordshire Boarder Water & Gas Jointer
Tylers Hill, (5 Bells)
i know mary horner who owns this site says she knows of reeds and marks and here they are with a grandaughter hearn.hearns are marys family line.

[KSD]

I posted a message at the beginning of the year regarding a Phoebe Dunn/Baker.  I was guided to the Reed/Baker family.  I have an Aaron Baker marrying an Ellen Reed in Tenterden in 1872.  I have a marriage certificate for an Albert Baker who married 1905.  He was 23 and a hawker.  His father was given as Aaron Baker.  Albert went on to have a flower stall in Catford market.

I don't know if this is any help. 

[KSD]

Just managed to find the marriage certificate for Albert Baker ( knew it had to be here somewhere).  The address is given as 41 Baildon Street so we must have a match.

Albert was living with Stephen and Rose Welling in 1901.  I believe Albert had sisters Rose, Phoebe, Charlotte and Mary Ann.  Sometimes the names are given as Baker and sometimes Reed.

[cathayb]

i am sorry my geography is terrible.where is tenterdon and the o ther address you give.

[KSD]

Sorry, Tenterden is in Kent.  Not far from Rye. 

I recently got the birth certificate for Phoebe Reed born 1872 in Tenterden. 

[nightnurse51]

Hi
Its very strange you should mention the name Baker as I have just met my grandfathers sister in law Flo who is in her 80's and she mentioned the name Baker!
As I had not heard the name before  so I,  dismissed it. maybe thinking she was a bit confused.!
But Baildon street sounds very promising.!
Ill look into it.
Thanks for every ones help.!!!
Carol