Cant find Jospeh Henry Quilliam

[shella_n]

Hello

After a year of searching South African records I have now managed to trace the above back to the Isle of Man.

I believe he was born approx Oct 1852.  I have tried searching as many places I can think of but the only possible match that I can come up with is in the 1861 census showing Jospeph to be the son of James (b 1807)

I need to try and get his birth certificate but cant find any references for it.

If anyone can help me with with either the aboves birth certificate refs or any other possible matches Id be REALLY grateful.

Thanks so much.

Michelle

[junev]

Hi,

GENUKI in the Isle of Man section states that civil registration for births only started in 1878 so I think you would have to look for baptisms.

Junev

[shella_n]

Hi

Thanks for that.  Wheres the best place to search for Baptisms?

I checked my records last night and I do actually have his date of birth - 1/9/1852.

Thanks

Michelle

[JAP]

Hello Michelle,

Civil Registration - Isle of Man
GENUKI is not entirely accurate.  1878 was when Civil Registration of Births became compulsory but there was provision for voluntary registration before that.

From http://www.iomfhs.im/lawsons/births/_bir_index.html
"...  Prior to March, 1849, there was no means of registering a birth with the Civil Authorities. From March, 1849 to March 1878 (when Civil Registration became mandatory) Civil Registration was voluntary. The Marriage Act of 1849 provided for the Civil Registration of Marriages which, of course, required the establishment of the Registrar General's office. From this time the Registrar also accepted the voluntary Civil Registration of Births and also accepted the retrocative registration of births that were authenticated by entries in the Registers of Dissenting Churches. This resulted, for example, in some Ramsey births being recorded in Douglas ..."

Date of Birth
How sure are you of Joseph Henry's date of birth?  May I ask the source?
Also, is the date 1 September 1852, or January 9 1852?
Also the source of his middle name?

Further Information
Do you have further information?
For example, when Joseph Henry left the Isle of Man?
His occupation?

1861 Census
The (enumerator and the) Ancestry transcribers seem to have become a bit muddled.

I believe that the father of the Joseph you mention in 1861 is Thomas not James.

I think that the household is as follows:
RG9/4416/112/21
Bignell(?) Street,Town of Douglas, Parish of Conchan, Isle of Man
QUILLIAM
Thomas, 50, Son (scrawled through - surely should be Head), Labourer, born IoM Sannton
Ann, Wife, 41, b IoM Rushen
William, Son, 16, Roper, b IoM Braddan
James, Head (struck through - surely should be Son), 14, Ap Roper, b IoM Braddan
Joseph, Son, 9, Scholar, b IoM Douglas
John, Son, 7, Scholar, b IoM Douglas
Thomas, Son, 6months?, b IoM Douglas
Catherine, Daur, 4, b IoM Douglas

1851 census
Here is the same family in 1851.

HO107/2525/143/13
9 Hanover Street, Town of Douglas, Parish of Conchan, Isle of Man
QUILLIAM
Thomas, 37, Head, Laborer, b IoM Santon
Ann, 29, Wife, b IoM Braddan
Robert, 9, Son, Scholar, b IoM Braddan
William, 7, Son, Scholar, b IoM Braddan
James, 5, Son, Scholar, b IoM Douglas

IGI
Some of the above family appear in the IGI (International Genealogical Index) on FamilySearch.

Parents Thomas QUILLIAM & Ann KNEALE, all baptized at Braddan
Robert bap 12 Feb 1843
William bap 22 Sep 1844
Cath bap 2 Aug 1857
Thomas bap 22 Jul 1860

Also (perhaps the given name is an error), parents Thomas QUILLIAM & Margt (sic) KNEALE
Joseph bap 11 Apr 1852 Braddan 

I will post further.

Kind regards,

JAP

[JAP]

Hello again Michelle,

Continuing ...

Another Possibility?

Perhaps another possibility is the following:

1861 census
RG9/4427/43/16
Balnakerkay (sic), Glen May, Parish of Patrick, Isle of Man
QUILLIAM
John, Head, 74, Farmer 49 emp 2 men & 1 boy
Ann, Wife, 70
Catherine, Daughter, 28, Unmarried
Maria, Daughter, 26, Unmarried, Dressmaker
Joseph H., Grandson, 7, Scholar
Edward, Grandson, 6, Scholar
Thomas, Grandson, 5
plus 2 servants and a Visitor
All born Patrick except for the visitor.

Here are what seem to be Joseph and Edward in 1871.
1871 census
RG10/5771/29/11
Ballakey house No 1, Patrick, Isle of Man
In the household of Farmer James KANNAUGH, wife Catherine, and children
Joseph QUILLIAM, Boarder, 17, Apprentice to a Carpenter, b Patrick
Edward QUILLIAM, Boarder, 16, working on farm, b Patrick
(I wondered whether James KANNAUGH's wife might be the Catherine QUILLIAM from the 1861 census above - and indeed she is; the IGI has the marriage of James KENNAUGH & Catharine QUILLIAM in 1864, and births of children to them - Catharine's surname not given)

Kind regards,

JAP

[JAP]

And finally ...

Isle of Man Resources

Earlier I mentioned the IGI.
It is a very good resource for Isle of Man births/baptisms and marriages.

GENUKI is also a good resource.

It would also be a good idea to look here on RootsChat on the Isle of Man Resources board.
Two excellent resources mentioned there are:

A Manx Notebook by Frances COAKLEY
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/

The Isle of Man Family History Society
http://www.iomfhs.im/
If you click on RESEARCH on the home page, it will lead you to some very useful information and lists of births, marriages, burials, wills, etc.
(Unfortunately, I did not find a birth for Joseph ...)

Kind regards,

JAP

[shella_n]

Hello JAP

Thank you so much for your replies.  Sorry its taken so long to write back - have had a crisis recently so not had time to dedicate to my famiyl tree.

Anyway, to answer your questions the information I have on. Joseph is from his death records in South Africa.  I have no idea when he went to South Africa but he died there in his 90's and it lists his DoB as being 1 September and his birthplace as being Isle of Man.

It lists his children as being William, Albert, Henry Carl (my ancestor) and Edward.  He was married to Marie Langer who I have just discovered was German.

It lists his occupation as being a farmer.

If you think of anything else that might help I'dl love to hear.  In the meantime Im going to look at all the records youve mentioned.

Thanks again.
Michelle

[shella_n]

actually, sorry his date of birth is from a mortgage bond from south africa.

The death notice lists him as being 93 years and 2 months old when he died on 18/11/1945.

[Frances_mnb]

just a quick clarification - although voluntary registration was possible it would appear very little use was made of it even by 1860 the numbers of civil regs was less than 5% of baptisms - what is often missed are the baptisms in Methodist churches which start to increase from about this period.