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South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« on: Monday 20 April 09 12:33 BST (UK) »
I recently found out the maiden name of my ancestor Elizabeth -  who i knew was married to James Rose around the early 1820's (their kids births range from 1822 to 1842)
Her maiden name was written as SAMPSON on their youngest childs birth cert.

I looked on IGI and found

JAMES ROSE      ELIZABETH SAMPSON
     Marriage:     
06 MAR 1821      South Elmham Saint James, Suffolk, England.

could someone please have a look for me so I can get the parents of these two.

Also - and I hope I am no too cheeky asking this, as this is the first time i have made a request.
could someone look for the Birth records of their children, all in the same parish

Eliza abt 1830, George abt 1828, John abt 1826, Robert abt 1825, William abt 1823, James jnr abt 1822.
(Godparents' names might help with family connections)

and finally
JAMES Rose abt 1800 - this should give me his mum's name
 
I dont think Elizabeth Sampson was from that Parish. I have one census return from 1851 that has been mistranscribed by Ancestry as 'Medmenham' but which looks more like 'melleacham'.
I have no local knowledge of Suffolk (the Rose family moved to Lancs/cheshire, and I live in Ireland) but I thought the best match I could find was MARTLESHAM.
If anyone can help with that I'd appreciate it

All the best
Des

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Re: South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 April 09 14:59 BST (UK) »

could someone please have a look for me so I can get the parents of these two.

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I'm afraid that prior to 1837 when Civil Registration began, fathers' names and occupations are not given on marriage details.  From 1753 -1837 only the following information is given.

1.Full names of Bride and Groom
2.Date of marriage.
3.Whether or not they were of the parish.  If they were from outside of the parish, the parish is given.
4.Their marital status - single or widowed
5.The names of 2 marriage witnesses.
6. Whether the marriage was by banns or licence.

Sometimes marriage witnesses can be very helpful though.

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Re: South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 April 09 15:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks Rick,
perhaps my best chance would be finding James Rose's birth, that would have his parents wouldn't it?
Also been looking at google maps around St James, and the 1851 census again, I think Elizabeth Sampson could be from METTINGHAM which isn't too far away.
The census looks like 'Mellinham' - if you cross the Ls to make Ts and you stick in a silent G between the N and H
it could fit.

Thanks again
Des


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Re: South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 April 09 15:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks Rick,
perhaps my best chance would be finding James Rose's birth, that would have his parents wouldn't it?


Des

Births weren't registered until 1837 though occasionally a helpful incumbent will make a note of the birthdate in the baptismal register.  Baptismal entries do give parents forenames but they do not always give the maiden surname of the mother unfortunately.  After 1813 when pre-printed registers began to be used, fathers' occupations and the parents address (usually only the village in rural areas) were given.

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Re: South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 April 09 15:55 BST (UK) »
Regarding possible parishes for Elizabeth, MENDHAM is right next to Southelmham St James too.

Four parishes 'join in the middle'
Southelmham's St Cross and St James, Mendham and Metfield  ;D

Up in what we tend to refer to as 'Bow and Arrow country', very remote and still very rural.  Beautiful area  :)

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Every time I find an ancestor,
I have to find two more!

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham - all link to  Framlingham 
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally Framlingham/Parham)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert & Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith LDN - Fulker
LDN/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
 
GGfather Michael Wilson born Cork, lived Fulham London - moved to Boston USA 1889, what happened next?

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Re: South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 13:01 BST (UK) »
I had another look on IGI for a birth/christening in Suffolk for an Elizabeth Sampson around 1800.
and I found this:
17 SEP 1799       'Mettonham' Suffolk, England.

Mettonham - Mettingham, sounds pretty good to me - anyone have an opinion?

the parents are listed as JOHN SAMPSON and HANNAH BRIGHTON

I also found a 1841 census for John sampson born 1781
and Ann born 1786 (hopefully its wrong as it makes her only 13/14 when Elizabeth is born)
in St lawrence, Ilketshall - which is pretty close by.

I have also found a baptism record for a James rose
09 DEC 1798       South Elmham-St James,
son of William and Eliz Andruss.

could anyone check these

thanks
Des

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Re: South Elmham, St James - marriages for 1821 ROSE to SAMPSON
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 10:34 BST (UK) »
Sorry I didnt acknowledge your post Suffolkmawther,

Like I said before, I don't have any local knowledge of this part of the world, so any advise or suggestions are welcome.

I looked on the 1841 census and found a William Rose aged 70 (born 1871) and wife Elizabeth 65 (1776) living in METFIELD, which as you pointed out is a bordering parish to St james. Who could be the William and Eliz (Andruss) from that record on IGI.

I'm a bit apprehensive to start adding these people to my tree, only to find out there were hundreds of Roses around at the time (I suppose the collective name for a lot of people called Rose would be a Bunch!)

Des