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Owen Williams born 1827 **COMPLETED**
« on: Thursday 23 April 09 20:04 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for the parents of my great, great grandfather Owen Williams, born 2nd June 1827(his date of birth on his gravestone in Trefnant). His father's name is Robert Williams on his marriage certificate and one of the witnesses is Edward Williams, possibly his brother. Owen was a servant for William and Elizabeth Williams  in Henllan on the 1841 and 1851 census and there's no sign of his parents there. I've also looked through quite a few Denbighshire parishes on IGI. Any help on this would be very welcome as I'm truly stuck.

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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 23:15 BST (UK) »
Hello ceri,
Was his birthplace given as Llanrwst on the 1851 census and could you tell me where he married please?

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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 01:21 BST (UK) »
Hello ceri

A belated welcome  :)

Could you also tell us what the occupation of his father was on the marriage cert and whether or not it stated if he was deceased. It might help track them down.


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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 21:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Paul

On the 1851 census Owen Williams' birthplace is Gwytherin. He was married to Elizabeth Jones in Denbigh on the 27th April1855.

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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 22:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Gadget,

Thank you. Robert Williams was a farmer and it doesn't state on the cert that he was deceased.

Ceri

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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 22:14 BST (UK) »
On the 1841 there is a possible  Robert in Gwytherin:

Penyfron, Gwytherin
HO107/1402 Bk 3 Folio 18 Page 6

Williams
Robert, 45, farmer
Mary, 18
Margaret, 16
Margaret Jones, ?, not born county

All others born County.

As you are probably aware, the 1841 doesn't give relationships. Owen would have been 14 and might have been working away.

It's only a possible but the best match that I can find.

I'll keep look in case I can find a better one.


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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 22:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks for looking that up.

 I had wondered if that was the right Robert Williams and he had remarried by 1851 which might explain why Owen Williams was working away for ten years.

  From what I can find on IGI his first wife's name was Jane Morris and some of their childrens' births are in the records there's no sign of Owen.

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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 April 09 00:01 BST (UK) »
Ceri, Bridget :)

I'll have a look if there's anything in Gwytherin PR's

Paul.

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Re: Owen Williams born 1827 Llanrwst
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 April 09 13:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks Paul

Owen Williams stated he was born in Gwytherin in 1851, Henllan in 1861, Denbigh in 1871,Gwytherin in 1881 and Llanrwst in 1891 and 1901 so it's anyones guess I'm afraid.

From 1841 he lived in Henllan/Trefnant until his death on 8th August 1906 and had four children, Elizabeth 1857, Robert, my great grandfather, 1859, John 1862 and Edward 1864 all registered at birth in Green, Denbigh.

On the 1841 Henllan census his age is recorded as 10, working as a servant on Acer Las farm.

This is my first post and I apologise if these details should have been in the original inquiry.   ::)

Ceri